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I mean, who cares? Is it really that big of a deal that your date in the car is wrong? Just set the time back to what it should be and go on with your day. On t
by nexuist 5y ago
I mean, who cares? Is it really that big of a deal that your date in the car is wrong? Just set the time back to what it should be and go on with your day. On the list of things to pay special attention to, I would much rather they prioritize safety and reliability.
- avianlyric 5y agoUntil you turn it off, and resets itself to the incorrect date again, despite having the auto-update feature turned off. Which what these Hondas are doing. So every time you turn the ignition, the car “corrects” its clock to the wrong date.
- nexuist 5y agoWhile that's relatively worse, it's still a non-issue - just look at your phone if you want the current time. Nobody buys a car for its accurate timekeeping abilities. I understand that customers are rightfully pissed off that they paid for a clock and no longer have a working clock, but the cost of said clock can't have been more than a few dollars so it still doesn't really matter. In my head this would suck a lot more if the time was needed to enable more connectivity i.e. syncing calendars, remote start/unlock, etc. But if that was the case these systems would use NTP and avoid this whole mess entirely.
- Spooky23 5y agoThat’s like the slumlord approach to property maintenance. Screen door is broken? Building Code doesn’t require it, rip the thing off! If you’re making a durable product that’s going to be around for a decade or two, make it right. This attitude that we should just shrug and accept bad “engineering” is just dumb. Honda in particular didn’t move their entertainment systems to CarPlay/Android Auto until 2018 in some models - so internally they felt there was some strategic advantage to owning the car entertainment stack, and they still fucked it up. Where else do they suck?
- nexuist 5y ago> That’s like the slumlord approach to property maintenance. Screen door is broken? Building Code doesn’t require it, rip the thing off! Screen doors have an essential use during storm conditions. They are important for physical safety. What safety benefits do you rely on a clock for? > This attitude that we should just shrug and accept bad “engineering” is just dumb Are you really going to tell the Honda owners in your life to go buy another car because of this clock issue? Otherwise, they're just accepting bad engineering! > If you’re making a durable product that’s going to be around for a decade or two, make it right. The cars still drive, and those that are properly maintained drive well, better than most other brands. I ask again, who the hell buys a car for its timekeeping abilities?
- quicklime 5y agoThis is more like the clock being wrong on your home oven. It doesn't mean that the building is poorly engineered.
- olyjohn 5y agoWhat is and isn't a big deal depends on the person. Maybe it's not for you. Maybe for someone else it is. Anything not directly related to getting you from A to B can be a non-issue. Do you really need power windows? Do you really need AC? Do you really need sound insulation? Do you even need heat? I mean put on a jacket for christ's sake! Doesn't really matter. I guess if the whole car falls apart around you, it's a non issue as long as it gets you where you wanna go right?
- nexuist 5y ago> Do you really need power windows? No > Do you really need AC? No > Do you really need sound insulation? No > Do you even need heat? No > I guess if the whole car falls apart around you, it's a non issue as long as it gets you where you wanna go right? Yes, this is how the majority of people approach used car sales. They're bought for the A to B capability, not for anything else. Regardless, it is ridiculous to compare something as critical to human comfort as heating to an accurate clock. Who the hell needs the time to be right in their car? You can afford a car but not a $5 wristwatch?
- dylan604 5y ago>Is it really that big of a deal that your date in the car is wrong? In 2002, probably not. In 2022, it could have much more of an impact if OTA updates are signed/decrypted/etc so that being able to generate a valid timestamp is required. It would totally suxors to get into your car to have it not start because of some stupid time related bug.
- nexuist 5y agoIf your car has OTA updates it almost certainly gets its time from NTP and doesn't rely on manual time configuration or wacky code written a decade ago. Furthermore, absolutely no part of the ignition system should depend on cellular connectivity to start the engine. This is a non issue in 2022 models.
- sitkack 5y agoThe problem is we can't determine how code is reused or what the blast radius is. *edit, you are responding with "who cares it is a clock" but the parent was talking about programming in general has a pervasive quality issue that shows that programming as we do it now is NOT engineering. Engineering is like 80% failure analysis. In no other discipline do we call the 20% the 90% (even the good in programming is barely passable). I'd love a filter that killed comments that aren't even talking about the same thing Everything is interconnected, this is why safety critical systems go to such great lengths to cordon themselves off from the rest of the world. It is the unintentional critical system (everything at some point will be critical to someone). This is the equivalent of bondoing (putty used by backyard car body mechanics) over some important piece of technology. Honda should at least send everyone a piece of tape that says remove on Date ZZZ so someone doesn't see the wrong time and do something unwise.