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I don't necessarily disagree with your comment overall but there are a lot of problems with your list and your methodology. 1: Why isn't france or china on the

by jonway 5y ago

I don't necessarily disagree with your comment overall but there are a lot of problems with your list and your methodology. 1: Why isn't france or china on the former or currently socialist list? There are many others. 2: Consider the volatility and violent turmoil, war, genocide, atrocities from those former and present countries from the timeperiod of german unification under bismarck (somewhat arbitrarily chosen date) to the present day. 3: There have been many non-communist and non-socialst nations which where bad and there are still such regimes in existence today. Eliminating "communism" or "socialism" was not a cure for anything. Many of these countries share different traits which would have a much greater effect on their stability.

beepbooptheory 5y ago
I could understand that perhaps I am a little provocative or too radical for this crowd (and am used to the downvotes), but it is really sad/discouraging that this measured, historically-minded, and generally rational comment is getting downvoted too!
chernevik 5y ago
(Really responding to beepbottheory's comment, to which I cannot reply) The downvoting around here is just weird. I thought downvotes were supposed to indicate comments that were against forum rules or just unhelpful; _maybe_ offtopic? But people seem to downvote stuff they just don't like, regardless of how intelligent it might be. It's sad, and it's deteriorating HN.
- aspenmayer 5y ago
  > (Really responding to beepbottheory's comment, to which I cannot reply) When that happens, click the timestamp of the comment you wish to reply to to go to that comment’s page, which has a reply box in my experience.
germandiago 5y ago
1. True, France could be considered to some extent socialist. But it was never a communist system AFAIK. 2. In all countries there have been genocides, starting with Germany, one of the biggest economies. There have been genocides in lots of places a lot of times. But the mindset plays an essential role about development IMHO (this is just opinion). 3. True. I do not think a non-socialist system makes countries automatically successful. But I think that a great degree of economic freedom favors much development. There can be other problems, though. It is difficult to identify those traits, but I always remember something someone important to me taught me since I was young: first fix it, complain later. It is not about it is your fault or not (extend this to any enemy in any society). If you choose crying and not fixing, you will face a bad fate. If you choose fixing, you can complain or not, but if it is fixed, your fate has way more chances to be a good one.
- jonway 5y ago
  > 1. France could be considered to some extent socialist. I join you in pointing out that there is not a rigidly adhered to performative standard of government classification. By that I mean for example, that while the USA is generally considered as the quintessential modern, successful democracy, it is not that, but a representative republic with deomcratic elections. So sure, France hasn't been purely "communist" or "socialist", but the reality of the world is that there is much more going on than could be captured by a check box. >3. It is difficult to identify those traits, but I always remember something someone important to me taught me since I was young: first fix it, complain later. Well, we have Iran as just one example of those kind of outcomes. That course is only tolerable from one end of the bayonet. If you stab enough people if might fix every problem we have, but there will be nobody to complain later. I guess it really is as you say: intervention just causes more intervention...

by jonway 5y ago

beepbooptheory 5y ago

I could understand that perhaps I am a little provocative or too radical for this crowd (and am used to the downvotes), but it is really sad/discouraging that this measured, historically-minded, and generally rational comment is getting downvoted too!

chernevik 5y ago

(Really responding to beepbottheory's comment, to which I cannot reply) The downvoting around here is just weird. I thought downvotes were supposed to indicate comments that were against forum rules or just unhelpful; _maybe_ offtopic? But people seem to downvote stuff they just don't like, regardless of how intelligent it might be. It's sad, and it's deteriorating HN.

aspenmayer 5y ago
> (Really responding to beepbottheory's comment, to which I cannot reply) When that happens, click the timestamp of the comment you wish to reply to to go to that comment’s page, which has a reply box in my experience.

germandiago 5y ago

1. True, France could be considered to some extent socialist. But it was never a communist system AFAIK. 2. In all countries there have been genocides, starting with Germany, one of the biggest economies. There have been genocides in lots of places a lot of times. But the mindset plays an essential role about development IMHO (this is just opinion). 3. True. I do not think a non-socialist system makes countries automatically successful. But I think that a great degree of economic freedom favors much development. There can be other problems, though. It is difficult to identify those traits, but I always remember something someone important to me taught me since I was young: first fix it, complain later. It is not about it is your fault or not (extend this to any enemy in any society). If you choose crying and not fixing, you will face a bad fate. If you choose fixing, you can complain or not, but if it is fixed, your fate has way more chances to be a good one.

jonway 5y ago
> 1. France could be considered to some extent socialist. I join you in pointing out that there is not a rigidly adhered to performative standard of government classification. By that I mean for example, that while the USA is generally considered as the quintessential modern, successful democracy, it is not that, but a representative republic with deomcratic elections. So sure, France hasn't been purely "communist" or "socialist", but the reality of the world is that there is much more going on than could be captured by a check box. >3. It is difficult to identify those traits, but I always remember something someone important to me taught me since I was young: first fix it, complain later. Well, we have Iran as just one example of those kind of outcomes. That course is only tolerable from one end of the bayonet. If you stab enough people if might fix every problem we have, but there will be nobody to complain later. I guess it really is as you say: intervention just causes more intervention...