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How is North Korea left? It's an absolute monarchy, pretty much exactly the other side of the political compass.

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• decafninja 5y ago
  They declare themselves to be a socialist utopia. If you believe what they say at face value, and also believe that anything negative said about the DPRK by the Western media, etc. to be total lies like some of these people being discussed here do, then I guess you could think North Korea is a leftist paradise.
• lisper 5y ago
  That is, empirically, where forms of government commonly labelled as "left" ends up when taken to extremes. North Korea is just the most extreme example.
  • sudosysgen 5y ago
    Yeah, bullshit. What other "left" government ended up with a hereditary monarchy?
    • lisper 5y ago
      You're right, left-wing dictatorships tend not to be hereditary. NK is unique in this regard.
      • bernawil 5y ago
        NK is really the odd one there with the hereditary thing and all. Almost all other communist "dictatorships" are really not that different from US style corporations. Basically, organizations staffed by common people jockeying for position. Sometimes climbing the ladder on merit, sometimes politicking but you get the point. Being family with the CEO helps proably as much as being family with the head of the politburo. And if you think about it, how much of American culture in the 20th century was a result of things that came out of corporate boards?
        • dragonwriter 5y ago
          > NK is really the odd one there with the hereditary thing and all. Almost all other communist "dictatorships" are really not that different from US style corporations. Wait, are you saying equity ownership and therefore control, of “US style corporations” isn't inheritable?
          • bernawil 5y ago
            I'm saying public companies -as in trading in the stock market- (and to a lesser extent private ones too) and corporate culture is very similar to communist government. Schumpeter said something in the lines of "it's ironic that in democratic free-market countries most economic activity happens under hierarchical top-down organizations".
            • dragonwriter 5y ago
              > Schumpeter said something in the lines of “it’s ironic that in democratic free-market countries most economic activity happens under hierarchical top-down organizations”. It’s only even slightly ironic if you ignore that “free-market” is the capitalist euphemism for a society whose structure is top-to-bottom regulated (largely, through the exact shape of the imposed definition of “property rights”) around principals engineered and fought for tooth-and-nail over centuries by the capitalist (née mercantile) class to allow their heirarchical top-down organizations to replace those of the feudal aristocracy as the main driving force in society.
• fallingknife 5y ago
  Horseshoe theory in action: Nazi Germany (fascist far right) -> totalitarian dictatorship that invades its neighbors and executes dissidents Soviet Union (communist far left) -> totalitarian dictatorship that invades its neighbors and executes dissidents
• seanmcdirmid 5y ago
  Social hierarchies emerge in even the most well intentioned left-wing society. It isn't really that odd in Vietnam, China, North Korea, all have developed new highly stratified social hierarchies. The alternative is probably unstable when extreme ideologies are imposed (which really can't survive without authoritarianism).