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Philippines' President Duterte threatens unvaccinated people with arrest

27 points by steelstraw 5y ago

oriettaxx 5y ago
uh, we where thinking about moving there.... well, with this it's sure now a big NO
- dragontamer 5y ago
  Wait. This is what makes you think otherwise? Duterte was hiring assassins to kill "suspected" drug users on the streets just a year or two ago. The real-politik is that if you're seen as Duterte's enemy, he'll find a reason to arrest you, or even invent one. Its not about public health, vaccination status, or drugs. Its about "are you friends with Duterte", or "are you enemies of Duterte". Otherwise, this is just more coded language from Duterte. He's moving on from using the drug war as an excuse, and is now using COVID vaccination status as an excuse for his actions.
  - xkbarkar 5y ago
    2019 I would have agreed with you. Duterte was a standalone nutcase. 2022 it looks like Austria, Holland, Australia, Italy, France and nordic leaders are taking notes from this dunderhead. Swedens new PM seems particularily keen to add a little late covid terror to otherwize pretty sheltered Swedish population. She recently proclaimed no vaccinated should have to sit next to an unvaccinated person. Its not arresting them, but most definetly dehumanize them enough to justify inhumane restrictions. Italy has mandated vaccinations for persons over 50. Is that not the same thing as Dutertes arrest ?
    - dragontamer 5y ago
      > Is that not the same thing as Dutertes arrest ? Are these other officials literally paying assassins to kill people on the street extrajudiciously? If not, any comparison to Duterte is a rather feeble comparison. The context of Duterte's reign is greater than just the words he says in English (Especially since the native tongue of the country is Tagalog). -------- Lets put this in terms of "The Godfather" if you've seen the movie. If you hear "I'm going to make you an offer you can't refuse" from a mafia boss, it means something completely different than when a normal person says those words. That's Duterte in a nutshell. The words being spoken and the message it contains are two different things. If Duterte says something in English, its aimed at the international community. Enough Filipinos will hear the message too (English-fluency is pretty common... but its not universal!). Duterte is saying 'I'm doing what I can to cut back on COVID19' internationally, but I wouldn't really pay attention to it from a domestic perspective.
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    - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
      > Is that not the same thing as Dutertes arrest ? In case this isn't facetious, no, it's not. Arrest deploys the state's monopoly on violence. Barring someone from public spaces does not. Fines and employment restrictions are in between, but (a) are not comparable in the way being fired and being jailed aren't comparable and (b) still leaves one free to e.g. play typhoid Mary on one's own property and dime.
      - xkbarkar 5y ago
        Sounds to me like you agree with Duterte. Unvaccinated are, typhoid Maries? Also, what exactly do you think mandatory vaccination entails? Draghi sending nonno a stern warning letter? Wake up. You are supporting people who are well on their way of becoming this doofus horrible excuse of a man. You just think your methods are more justified. None og the measure, not the ones you support, nor Dutertes stop c19 though. Just add to the dehumanization that has been prevalent among us for a very long time. And we all know where that leads.
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > we where thinking about moving there...with this it's...a big NO Putting aside this being the straw that broke the camel's back, if you're unvaccinated, I believe that's the point.
RONROC 5y ago
There’s a concerted effort by world leaders to demonize the unvaccinated. I am vaccinated, but as a human being, is this a useful approach?
- disambiguation 5y ago
  I also wonder why they take this approach and don't simply do mandatory / compulsory injections. In fact have any governments imposed mandatory injections yet?
  - benmmurphy 5y ago
    Nothing bad could possibly happen in reaction to such a policy
    - disambiguation 5y ago
      I don't support the idea, just wondering out loud. But I agree, it's lose-lose situation. Just hard to imagine it could be worse than what we have going on now.
  - occamrazor 5y ago
    Italy for healthcare professionals and for over 50.
- darthrupert 5y ago
  I think yes. These people really seem to believe that they are right. What other methods do we still have of convincing them? Some of them undoubtedly will double down, but those people are probably unreachable by sanity anyway.
  - pageandrew 5y ago
    Let people make their own medical decisions. As we're seeing right now, even high levels of vaccination don't protect a community against high rates of transmission. Just look at Israel, which was the first country in the world to widely roll out boosters and is currently in the middle of an Omicron wave. Initially there were hopes that vaccines would suppress the spread of the virus enough to end the pandemic, and if that turned out to be true then the unvaccinated would in fact be prolonging the pandemic, but now we know that that is not true. Anyone can get Covid, and anyone can give it to someone else. Vaccines are about personal protection at this point, not community protection.

27 points by steelstraw 5y ago

oriettaxx 5y ago

uh, we where thinking about moving there.... well, with this it's sure now a big NO

dragontamer 5y ago
Wait. This is what makes you think otherwise? Duterte was hiring assassins to kill "suspected" drug users on the streets just a year or two ago. The real-politik is that if you're seen as Duterte's enemy, he'll find a reason to arrest you, or even invent one. Its not about public health, vaccination status, or drugs. Its about "are you friends with Duterte", or "are you enemies of Duterte". Otherwise, this is just more coded language from Duterte. He's moving on from using the drug war as an excuse, and is now using COVID vaccination status as an excuse for his actions.
- xkbarkar 5y ago
  2019 I would have agreed with you. Duterte was a standalone nutcase. 2022 it looks like Austria, Holland, Australia, Italy, France and nordic leaders are taking notes from this dunderhead. Swedens new PM seems particularily keen to add a little late covid terror to otherwize pretty sheltered Swedish population. She recently proclaimed no vaccinated should have to sit next to an unvaccinated person. Its not arresting them, but most definetly dehumanize them enough to justify inhumane restrictions. Italy has mandated vaccinations for persons over 50. Is that not the same thing as Dutertes arrest ?
  - dragontamer 5y ago
    > Is that not the same thing as Dutertes arrest ? Are these other officials literally paying assassins to kill people on the street extrajudiciously? If not, any comparison to Duterte is a rather feeble comparison. The context of Duterte's reign is greater than just the words he says in English (Especially since the native tongue of the country is Tagalog). -------- Lets put this in terms of "The Godfather" if you've seen the movie. If you hear "I'm going to make you an offer you can't refuse" from a mafia boss, it means something completely different than when a normal person says those words. That's Duterte in a nutshell. The words being spoken and the message it contains are two different things. If Duterte says something in English, its aimed at the international community. Enough Filipinos will hear the message too (English-fluency is pretty common... but its not universal!). Duterte is saying 'I'm doing what I can to cut back on COVID19' internationally, but I wouldn't really pay attention to it from a domestic perspective.
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  - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
    > Is that not the same thing as Dutertes arrest ? In case this isn't facetious, no, it's not. Arrest deploys the state's monopoly on violence. Barring someone from public spaces does not. Fines and employment restrictions are in between, but (a) are not comparable in the way being fired and being jailed aren't comparable and (b) still leaves one free to e.g. play typhoid Mary on one's own property and dime.
    - xkbarkar 5y ago
      Sounds to me like you agree with Duterte. Unvaccinated are, typhoid Maries? Also, what exactly do you think mandatory vaccination entails? Draghi sending nonno a stern warning letter? Wake up. You are supporting people who are well on their way of becoming this doofus horrible excuse of a man. You just think your methods are more justified. None og the measure, not the ones you support, nor Dutertes stop c19 though. Just add to the dehumanization that has been prevalent among us for a very long time. And we all know where that leads.
JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> we where thinking about moving there...with this it's...a big NO Putting aside this being the straw that broke the camel's back, if you're unvaccinated, I believe that's the point.

RONROC 5y ago

There’s a concerted effort by world leaders to demonize the unvaccinated. I am vaccinated, but as a human being, is this a useful approach?

disambiguation 5y ago
I also wonder why they take this approach and don't simply do mandatory / compulsory injections. In fact have any governments imposed mandatory injections yet?
- benmmurphy 5y ago
  Nothing bad could possibly happen in reaction to such a policy
  - disambiguation 5y ago
    I don't support the idea, just wondering out loud. But I agree, it's lose-lose situation. Just hard to imagine it could be worse than what we have going on now.
- occamrazor 5y ago
  Italy for healthcare professionals and for over 50.
darthrupert 5y ago
I think yes. These people really seem to believe that they are right. What other methods do we still have of convincing them? Some of them undoubtedly will double down, but those people are probably unreachable by sanity anyway.
- pageandrew 5y ago
  Let people make their own medical decisions. As we're seeing right now, even high levels of vaccination don't protect a community against high rates of transmission. Just look at Israel, which was the first country in the world to widely roll out boosters and is currently in the middle of an Omicron wave. Initially there were hopes that vaccines would suppress the spread of the virus enough to end the pandemic, and if that turned out to be true then the unvaccinated would in fact be prolonging the pandemic, but now we know that that is not true. Anyone can get Covid, and anyone can give it to someone else. Vaccines are about personal protection at this point, not community protection.