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There also a growing list of states that prohibit asking for salary history. Don’t ever give a salary history if asked. Only share if it is going to help in you
by dougmwne 5y ago
There also a growing list of states that prohibit asking for salary history. Don’t ever give a salary history if asked. Only share if it is going to help in your negotiation. Advise everyone you know who is job seeking to do the same.
This is a very dangerous question to ask because it locks in previous pay discrimination based on protected categories.
- walshemj 5y agoAnd anyone that has an atypical route into that profession. I have also sacked an agency over this and they are on my personal "Call First" list so if I am recommending agencies they wont be getting a call.
- NovemberWhiskey 5y agoIndeed - illegal in NY since 2020 under Labor Law Section 194. https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/LAB/194-A https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/LAB/194-A
- ne0flex 5y ago>Don't ever give a salary history if asked. Very true. I believe NYC banned companies from asking for salary history a few years back. I was interviewing at a bank in NYC. I attempted to negotiate a salary about $20k - $30k from what I was making at the time, and the response from the interviewer was positive. I was then blindsided by the interviewer (who would've been my boss) after he asked what my current salary is and I let it slip out because I didn't know that it was illegal in NYC at the time to ask salary history. Afterwards, he said "huh, that's a big clip up, I think $X would be a bit more reasonable."
- aynyc 5y agoIt's the entire STATE. The interviewer would've been in huge trouble if you report them.
- ne0flex 5y agoI didn't realize it was the entire state that banned the practice. Good to know. I wonder, if a prospective employer were to ask you about salary history, what would be a good way to turn them down? I'm sure there are many employers that aren't aware that this has been outlawed. At the same time, I'm wondering, if you could lie and inflate your salary should you be asked about salary history by a prospective employer, given that they wouldn't be able to legally verify what you told them.
- SauciestGNU 5y agoEmployers generally fuck us every way they can, then go innovate some more. When it comes to negotiating compensation, use every tactic available, including lies, doctoring old payslips, leveraging offers against each other. I truly do not believe it is possible to act unethically when attempting to extract fair pay from employers.
- gjs278 5y ago
- poulsbohemian 5y ago>a salary about $20k - $30k When I have the opportunity, I talk about this kind of thing with young professionals. They think that sounds like a lot of money, because they don't understand that's a rounding error to a large company. It's really cruel the way as a society we take kids making minimum wage at whatever first job, they get a degree, and then they get thrust out into Corporate America with no idea of what things cost or their own value. Unless they have the right mentors to encourage them to ask for more, they get whatever the company gives them. I was negotiating a contract recently on behalf of a client and they wondered how much they should ask for - I helped them get a meaningful credit because I knew it was an amount of money the other party would be willing to absorb rather than fight about.
- HWR_14 5y agoYou missed the second half of the quote. It is clear he was talking about a salary 20-30k above what he was already making. Now, you may point out that's still not a lot of money, but it's not a salary in the 20-30k range. He then said that he answered the question of what he made, was told a $20k bump was to much, and was offered a lower (X,000) bump instead because they assumed that's all they needed to do.
- poulsbohemian 5y agoNo, I didn’t miss it and it doesn’t change my point - asking for a $20k raise is peanuts.
- sangnoir 5y agoIndividual departments (cost centers) often have salary budgets - this motivates some managers to be penny-pinchers - save $10k here, $20k there, in no time you have enough budget for another warm body!
- ThePadawan 5y agoI have literally told a HR person "I'm not answering this question" and when told to do or cancel, I cancelled that application with zero regrets. Remember: Whenever someone in HR tells you "this is a standard question", immediately assume that means "we can get away with asking this, and it's strictly to our advantage, so we always do".
- slt2021 5y agowhats holding anyone from lying with inflated salary? gotta play the game
- eatYourFood 5y ago
- treeman79 5y agoSome people hate lying. Myself included. Makes it awkward at times.
- slt2021 5y agoYou should you know that the other side has no problem lying to you just to get what they want from you: 1. We value work life balance 2. We value diversity 3. We care about our people 4. We pay fairly and reward efforts Are one of the biggest lies I have heard from corporate HRs and recruiters
- vanusa 5y ago5. Unlimited PTO
- cherrycherry98 5y agoThey may ask for pay stubs.
- willcipriano 5y ago
- willcipriano 5y agoWhen asked for a salary history, do you research and give them a list at what salary you should've gotten. A rude question doesn't deserve a honest answer.
- stjohnswarts 5y agoI just tell them no. If they don't like it then they can move on to the next candidate. Pay me what you think I'm worth or skip me.
- willcipriano 5y agoI don't want to get paid what they think I'm worth, I want to get paid what the market thinks I'm worth. This way forwards my goal.
- mpalczewski 5y agoLocks in previous pay discrimination including but not limited to protected categories.
- pdpi 5y agoI've made it a habit to talk in terms of what other options I have on the table, and the salary bands for those instead.
- shmatt 5y agoFor any of us corporate workers, Equifax runs a service called "The Work Number" that has, for a big group of people, every single cent you ever made, who payed it, and when I only learned about it recently. When I requested a report on my SSN, I saw every bi-weekly payment ever made to me https://theworknumber.com/solutions/industries/pre-employment-verification https://theworknumber.com/solutions/industries/pre-employmen... > Talent Report™ Income and Employment Provides verification of employment plus verification of a candidate’s income
- pyuser583 5y agoI visited the web site. When I click on My Personal Data, it gives a 403. Which is freaking hilarious.
- hellisothers 5y agoWow, I wonder does this report equity grants? If not then at least you can still hide your total comp…
- SiNiquity 5y agoDepends on the employer, but in many cases yes. I have friends that work at Amazon that can confirm their RSU numbers showed up in their report.
- Grazester 5y agoHow is this legal? Where do they get these numbers? You employer(I dont think so) or your employer's payment role processors?
- bmitc 5y agoI've began to answer, at least to myself, the question of "how is this legal?" with: it makes rich people a lot of money.
- slt2021 5y agoYou yourself provide this info voluntarily to a bank when applying for a loan. The same bank verifies it by asking your paystubs before giving you a loan. As a rule of thunb - anything you provide to a bank for credit will be reported to credit bureau and they will sell all your personal info to the highest bidder. Or get it stolen by hackers in yet another data breach
- lostinquebec 5y agoRead this before you start negotiating: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/ https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/ It covers salary history and much more, all of it useful.
- WalterBright 5y agoIs it dangerous? If a candidate volunteers their pay history, it's likely because it is high. If they don't, it's likely because it is low. I also don't see why, if an employer demands a pay history, the candidate is obliged to provide it. (And also, in my experience, nearly all candidates inflate their salary history by about 10%. Employers know this, and discount the salary history by 10%. Back when I applied for jobs, I provided a pay stub along with the comment that I wasn't lying about my salary.) Not having a clue about what a candidate formerly earned means risk for the employer, and risk always means that the offer will be lower to account for the risk.
- ravel-bar-foo 5y agoEveryone involved knows the applicant was probably paid less in their previous job. What the present conpany doesn't know is how much less.
- LambdaComplex 5y ago> Not having a clue about what a candidate formerly earned means risk for the employer It really doesn't. An employee brings their employer some amount of value. The exact amount of value is completely unrelated to that employee's salary at their previous jobs. The _only_ "risk" here is that the employer might not be able to lowball the candidate as much as they possibly could.
- WalterBright 5y agoI'm aware of many people who were hired who brought negative value. A salary history of low wages is a red flag for such. > The exact amount of value is completely unrelated to that employee's salary at their previous jobs. Just try hiring a minimum wage worker as CEO for your next company, and see how well that works out.
- int_19h 5y agoThat would be a CEO without a golden parachute to bail them out when they run things into the ground... so I wouldn't be surprised if it works out better than average.
- bagels 5y agoI was asked by a recruiter one time. I answered with what my salary requirements were. This caused him to grow quite angry, explain that it didn't matter what my requirements were, and hang up on me. Mostly, I was amused. This was before that question was illegal in California.
- whyenot 5y agoCalifornia is one of those states, yet as a state employee, my compensation history is a public record. Anyone who wants my info can find it with a simple search online. I can understand the good in disclosing this info for public figures, but for everyone? It seems a little hypocritical.