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These stupid cookie dialogs are a result of EU law in the first place. They shouldn't exist, and even if they exist in Europe, as a non-European I shouldn't hav

These stupid cookie dialogs are a result of EU law in the first place. They shouldn't exist, and even if they exist in Europe, as a non-European I shouldn't have to deal with them. Cookie dialogs are the contemporary equivalent of popup ads, in terms of the annoyance to users. I'd love to find a browser that makes them go away, just like browsers blocked popups years ago.

top_sigrid 5y ago
Yes they do exist becuase of the GDPR, but what's your point? So the privacy law that is regulating tracking and data transfer - especially when ambiguous to the user - is to blame and not the companies performing these shady practices? The companies that then make a cookie banner cat-and-mouse game with dark patterns to trick users into "consenting" anyways, although it was clear from the beginning that many of these practices are illegal, a fact that jurisdictional takes some time to establish. But sure, the law which puts users' privacy at the center is to blame and not these companies.
- twblalock 5y ago
  Yes, the law is to blame. The companies never would have done any of this except for the law. The GDPR is the reason the web is festooned with ridiculous cookie consent forms of all kinds, both the good ones and the bad ones. Keep in mind too that I am not a citizen of an EU country. I have to put up with these dialogs and I get nothing in return. The upside for EU citizens is that they have a law to protect them. All I get is the downside.
  - kuschku 5y ago
    So you suggest that without the law they wouldn't track you? Or that without the law they wouldn't even give you a notification that they do illegally track you?
- YetAnotherNick 5y ago
  > So the privacy law that is regulating tracking and data transfer - especially when ambiguous to the user - is to blame and not the companies performing these shady practices? Yes, the purpose of the law is to end the shady practice which doesn't seem to be happening and no one is caring about the outcome. Popup seems to be just like a second ToS which existed in web for years. If the law doesn't track its real world effect or doesn't do an analysis on the benefit to annoyance ratio, yes it's the law which is to be blamed.
  - sime2009 5y ago
    The law is just fine. It is the lack of enforcement which has been the problem. I hope that this move from the French is the beginning of the end of these shady pop ups.
- gerash 5y ago
  Yes, the law is to be blamed. I don't care about intentions, I see the outcome and as long as the outcome is lose lose (as is the case with the cookie banners) then the law needs to be changed / updated / repealed / amended.
bunnythefifth 5y ago
https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/ https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/
- twblalock 5y ago
  Excellent, thanks!
Cthulhu_ 5y ago
The law doesn't stipulate that websites should have these cookie banners. It stipulates that users should only be tracked if they give consent. The banners are an invention from websites - get angry at them for tracking you, for annoying you into allowing them to track you instead. And look at Apple; they pushed a change on the app store and their apps where privacy is now the default, and they do not bully and annoy you into accepting anyway.
- twblalock 5y ago
  And yet, these cookie banners appeared after the law was passed. We all know why. It's because of the law, and because the law forces companies to react a certain way in order to avoid legal trouble.
  - Jochim 5y ago
    I mean they could have also chosen to just stop tracking people. Getting annoyed at the fact that sites are now forced to make you aware that they're building up a profile of you seems a bit odd.
  - kaba0 5y ago
    Github doesn’t have any popups interestingly, as well as a litany of other sane websites. Just because most of them are trashy and want to track you, it is not the fault of the EU. It is annoying but at least you know what’s ahead of you.
    - baby 5y ago
      2 websites out of thousands don’t have these popups. Great browsing experience.
      - kuschku 5y ago
        Is it better to just give up and let companies do whatever they want, including all harmful negatives? How do you suppose should making tracking illegal be done then?
CraneWorm 5y ago
sorry, no. greed is what made big players implement the banners and make them as painful to navigate as possible (unless you yield and click "accept")
rightbyte 5y ago
The company is nagging you to accept being spied upon. You don't have to consent for "essential" cookies.

top_sigrid 5y ago

Yes they do exist becuase of the GDPR, but what's your point? So the privacy law that is regulating tracking and data transfer - especially when ambiguous to the user - is to blame and not the companies performing these shady practices? The companies that then make a cookie banner cat-and-mouse game with dark patterns to trick users into "consenting" anyways, although it was clear from the beginning that many of these practices are illegal, a fact that jurisdictional takes some time to establish. But sure, the law which puts users' privacy at the center is to blame and not these companies.

twblalock 5y ago
Yes, the law is to blame. The companies never would have done any of this except for the law. The GDPR is the reason the web is festooned with ridiculous cookie consent forms of all kinds, both the good ones and the bad ones. Keep in mind too that I am not a citizen of an EU country. I have to put up with these dialogs and I get nothing in return. The upside for EU citizens is that they have a law to protect them. All I get is the downside.
- kuschku 5y ago
  So you suggest that without the law they wouldn't track you? Or that without the law they wouldn't even give you a notification that they do illegally track you?
YetAnotherNick 5y ago
> So the privacy law that is regulating tracking and data transfer - especially when ambiguous to the user - is to blame and not the companies performing these shady practices? Yes, the purpose of the law is to end the shady practice which doesn't seem to be happening and no one is caring about the outcome. Popup seems to be just like a second ToS which existed in web for years. If the law doesn't track its real world effect or doesn't do an analysis on the benefit to annoyance ratio, yes it's the law which is to be blamed.
- sime2009 5y ago
  The law is just fine. It is the lack of enforcement which has been the problem. I hope that this move from the French is the beginning of the end of these shady pop ups.
gerash 5y ago
Yes, the law is to be blamed. I don't care about intentions, I see the outcome and as long as the outcome is lose lose (as is the case with the cookie banners) then the law needs to be changed / updated / repealed / amended.

bunnythefifth 5y ago

https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/ https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/

twblalock 5y ago
Excellent, thanks!

Cthulhu_ 5y ago

The law doesn't stipulate that websites should have these cookie banners. It stipulates that users should only be tracked if they give consent. The banners are an invention from websites - get angry at them for tracking you, for annoying you into allowing them to track you instead. And look at Apple; they pushed a change on the app store and their apps where privacy is now the default, and they do not bully and annoy you into accepting anyway.

twblalock 5y ago
And yet, these cookie banners appeared after the law was passed. We all know why. It's because of the law, and because the law forces companies to react a certain way in order to avoid legal trouble.
- Jochim 5y ago
  I mean they could have also chosen to just stop tracking people. Getting annoyed at the fact that sites are now forced to make you aware that they're building up a profile of you seems a bit odd.
- kaba0 5y ago
  Github doesn’t have any popups interestingly, as well as a litany of other sane websites. Just because most of them are trashy and want to track you, it is not the fault of the EU. It is annoying but at least you know what’s ahead of you.
  - baby 5y ago
    2 websites out of thousands don’t have these popups. Great browsing experience.
    - kuschku 5y ago
      Is it better to just give up and let companies do whatever they want, including all harmful negatives? How do you suppose should making tracking illegal be done then?

CraneWorm 5y ago

sorry, no. greed is what made big players implement the banners and make them as painful to navigate as possible (unless you yield and click "accept")

rightbyte 5y ago

The company is nagging you to accept being spied upon. You don't have to consent for "essential" cookies.