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What you are describing is anecdotal and the same problem we have with Facebook - social group isolation. You have a large number of Catholic schools in your ar

What you are describing is anecdotal and the same problem we have with Facebook - social group isolation. You have a large number of Catholic schools in your area because you have a large number of Catholics in your area. They are operating under different principles, and so attract people who want those rules. If I went to a Sushi restaurant and proclaimed that nobody wanted Pizza anymore, or to live under the tyranny of tomato sauce and cheese, because nobody in the Sushi restaurant wanted pizza it wouldn't make sense to anyone else. I know teachers who are very supportive of mask mandates and that the schools and teachers are generally doing ok, and people who I work with who send their kids to schools with masks are very happy for the kids to have socializing opportunities. Your friends and community are free to find a solution that works for them. But it is not the only way, and it does not make sense to condemn a system that works for the vast majority of people.

nradov 5y ago
Mask mandates are collective punishment of children for no real benefit. I absolutely condemn them and they are not a system that works. Most European countries don't require young children to wear masks in schools. And don't presume to claim that masking children is necessary to protect adults. The adults who want to be vaccinated have been for months.
- jimmaswell 5y ago
  The teachers on the teachers subreddit STILL go on about how bad they have it "risking their lives". It's unbelievably dramatic over what to a vaccinated person is an endemic sniffle. I think they really just want to drag out their WFH situation as long as possible, consequences to the next generation of society be damned.
  - saimiam 5y ago
    A. It’s not just an endemic sniffle even for vaccinated people. I lost my sense of smell and got it back way after my quarantine ended, like months after. Plus there’s a mental fog that lifted a long time later. I got Covid after my first shot but before my second. B. In general, being vaxxed keeps you from getting badly sick but you just can’t say. E.g., say you’re in a group of a hundred people with a thousand guns trained at your group. Just one gun out of the thousand has a live round while ten others have blank which don’t kill but can injure. Would you be willing to face those odds? Would you be willing to ask others to face the same odds? These are roughly the odds what you are asking teachers to take on.
    - nradov 5y ago
      Think it through longer term. Over the next couple years the odds that teachers and all the rest of us will be infected is approximately 100%. Where the exposure comes from is irrelevant. I am willing to face those odds, and to ask others to do the same. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 Fortunately the vaccines and other therapies are quite effective at preventing deaths.
      - light_hue_1 5y ago
        Even if you have a 100% chance of getting COVID eventually (something that we have zero evidence for) it totally matters when you get it. Sometimes ICUs are overloaded, other times they aren't. If you wait long enough we develop drugs that help. We will make vaccines more effective with time. What's worse, is a lot of people have long-haul COVID where they suffer severe symptoms that never seem to go away. We have no idea why. Maybe if you get COVID in 5 years we will have figured out why and you get to avoid ruining your life. Also. COVID is not one and done. You can get it multiple times. People have gotten COVID twice, the first time they were fine, the second time they died. Not only are you totally misinformed for wanting to "face those odds" you are risking the lives and well-being of those around you.
        nradov 5y ago
        Hospitals have been overwhelmed during bad flu seasons many times before 2019. We didn't use that as an excuse to impose mandates and restrictions on the rest of society. Omicron is so contagious that your odds of avoiding infection for the next 5 years are approximately zero. Fortunately the vaccines and other therapies we already have are quite effective at preventing deaths. The notion of acting based on the hope that something better might appear at some indefinite point in the future is just absurd. While reinfections can occur (just as with any coronavirus), symptoms are typically mild. The number of deaths due to reinfections are so low as to be statistically irrelevant from a public policy standpoint. This panel discussion by several leading physicians provides a good scientific overview of the current situation. It's long, but worth a listen. https://youtu.be/GklHGYY8vN8 https://youtu.be/GklHGYY8vN8
- bcrosby95 5y ago
  Yeah well my 7 year old hates wearing pants but I still manage to get her clothed for the classroom. The only kids I know that have a problem with masks are kids with parents that have a problem with masks. It's not a kid problem its an adult problem. Kids are adaptable but adults are whiny little assholes that are set in their ways.
  - mbg721 5y ago
    If pants had been invented in 2018 in order to cure horniness, I'd treat them with the same gravitas that I give to graham crackers. One person's "set in one's ways" is another person's "doesn't change with the wind".
    - defterGoose 5y ago
      Well that was...some words.
    - craftinator 5y ago
      > If pants had been invented in 2018 in order to cure horniness What if they'd been invented hundreds of years ago to stop the spread of disease, and prevented millions of deaths since then? Curious that you use a weak and hyperbolic analogy when the reality is so readily available.
      - hazza_n_dazza 5y ago
        i had speculated months ago that perhaps cultures that wear veils and mouth coverings originally did it for health purposes
        nradov 5y ago
        If that was true, why are only women forced to wear veils? In reality the veils are all about controlling women's sexuality.
        5y ago
- watwut 5y ago
  Masks for kids are significantly less issue then you make them be. There is maybe one in 60 kids that acts as if it is punishment and the rest just used to wear them. And yes, I am in contact with kids. Masks don't bother them all that much.
- danielrpa 5y ago
  My 12 yr old now feels naked without the mask... Perhaps the mandate isn't very useful, but kids are so adaptable (evolutionary trait!) that this isn't in general a big deal for them.
mbg721 5y ago
- codefreakxff 5y ago
  Wow. I really don't want see Hacker News turn into some ugly mud slinging subreddit type site. This is just wildly against the community guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- torpfactory 5y ago
  Serious question: Where do you get that rhetoric from? There has been next to zero actual restrictions forced by the federal on lower levels of government. Most of the restrictions are decided at the city and county level and plenty don’t have any restrictions at all. And conform or die? Who is messaging that death is the penalty for not following the nonexistent restrictions?
- yumraj 5y ago
  > There is no "It's your community's choice," it's "Conform or die". Unless one lives in a walled community and there is no movement in or out of that wall, what happens in one community affects everyone.
  - mbg721 5y ago
    Yes, and Wickard v. Filburn proves that every breath you take is interstate commerce, but that's not consistent with how Americans have historically understood, and continue to understand, liberty.
    - Nasrudith 5y ago
      Except historically far harsher measures were approved for epidemics. Look up Typhoid Mary.
- khazhoux 5y ago
  This POV is incongruous to me. How does one believe the federal government would benefit from additional lockdowns, when everyone is so tired of living under covid? If anything, officials who impose lockdowns only decrease their popularity, even in very Blue areas.
stosto88 5y ago

nradov 5y ago

Mask mandates are collective punishment of children for no real benefit. I absolutely condemn them and they are not a system that works. Most European countries don't require young children to wear masks in schools. And don't presume to claim that masking children is necessary to protect adults. The adults who want to be vaccinated have been for months.

jimmaswell 5y ago
The teachers on the teachers subreddit STILL go on about how bad they have it "risking their lives". It's unbelievably dramatic over what to a vaccinated person is an endemic sniffle. I think they really just want to drag out their WFH situation as long as possible, consequences to the next generation of society be damned.
- saimiam 5y ago
  A. It’s not just an endemic sniffle even for vaccinated people. I lost my sense of smell and got it back way after my quarantine ended, like months after. Plus there’s a mental fog that lifted a long time later. I got Covid after my first shot but before my second. B. In general, being vaxxed keeps you from getting badly sick but you just can’t say. E.g., say you’re in a group of a hundred people with a thousand guns trained at your group. Just one gun out of the thousand has a live round while ten others have blank which don’t kill but can injure. Would you be willing to face those odds? Would you be willing to ask others to face the same odds? These are roughly the odds what you are asking teachers to take on.
  - nradov 5y ago
    Think it through longer term. Over the next couple years the odds that teachers and all the rest of us will be infected is approximately 100%. Where the exposure comes from is irrelevant. I am willing to face those odds, and to ask others to do the same. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 Fortunately the vaccines and other therapies are quite effective at preventing deaths.
    - light_hue_1 5y ago
      Even if you have a 100% chance of getting COVID eventually (something that we have zero evidence for) it totally matters when you get it. Sometimes ICUs are overloaded, other times they aren't. If you wait long enough we develop drugs that help. We will make vaccines more effective with time. What's worse, is a lot of people have long-haul COVID where they suffer severe symptoms that never seem to go away. We have no idea why. Maybe if you get COVID in 5 years we will have figured out why and you get to avoid ruining your life. Also. COVID is not one and done. You can get it multiple times. People have gotten COVID twice, the first time they were fine, the second time they died. Not only are you totally misinformed for wanting to "face those odds" you are risking the lives and well-being of those around you.
      - nradov 5y ago
        Hospitals have been overwhelmed during bad flu seasons many times before 2019. We didn't use that as an excuse to impose mandates and restrictions on the rest of society. Omicron is so contagious that your odds of avoiding infection for the next 5 years are approximately zero. Fortunately the vaccines and other therapies we already have are quite effective at preventing deaths. The notion of acting based on the hope that something better might appear at some indefinite point in the future is just absurd. While reinfections can occur (just as with any coronavirus), symptoms are typically mild. The number of deaths due to reinfections are so low as to be statistically irrelevant from a public policy standpoint. This panel discussion by several leading physicians provides a good scientific overview of the current situation. It's long, but worth a listen. https://youtu.be/GklHGYY8vN8 https://youtu.be/GklHGYY8vN8
bcrosby95 5y ago
Yeah well my 7 year old hates wearing pants but I still manage to get her clothed for the classroom. The only kids I know that have a problem with masks are kids with parents that have a problem with masks. It's not a kid problem its an adult problem. Kids are adaptable but adults are whiny little assholes that are set in their ways.
- mbg721 5y ago
  If pants had been invented in 2018 in order to cure horniness, I'd treat them with the same gravitas that I give to graham crackers. One person's "set in one's ways" is another person's "doesn't change with the wind".
  - defterGoose 5y ago
    Well that was...some words.
  - craftinator 5y ago
    > If pants had been invented in 2018 in order to cure horniness What if they'd been invented hundreds of years ago to stop the spread of disease, and prevented millions of deaths since then? Curious that you use a weak and hyperbolic analogy when the reality is so readily available.
    - hazza_n_dazza 5y ago
      i had speculated months ago that perhaps cultures that wear veils and mouth coverings originally did it for health purposes
      - nradov 5y ago
        If that was true, why are only women forced to wear veils? In reality the veils are all about controlling women's sexuality.
        5y ago
watwut 5y ago
Masks for kids are significantly less issue then you make them be. There is maybe one in 60 kids that acts as if it is punishment and the rest just used to wear them. And yes, I am in contact with kids. Masks don't bother them all that much.
danielrpa 5y ago
My 12 yr old now feels naked without the mask... Perhaps the mandate isn't very useful, but kids are so adaptable (evolutionary trait!) that this isn't in general a big deal for them.

mbg721 5y ago

codefreakxff 5y ago
Wow. I really don't want see Hacker News turn into some ugly mud slinging subreddit type site. This is just wildly against the community guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
torpfactory 5y ago
Serious question: Where do you get that rhetoric from? There has been next to zero actual restrictions forced by the federal on lower levels of government. Most of the restrictions are decided at the city and county level and plenty don’t have any restrictions at all. And conform or die? Who is messaging that death is the penalty for not following the nonexistent restrictions?
yumraj 5y ago
> There is no "It's your community's choice," it's "Conform or die". Unless one lives in a walled community and there is no movement in or out of that wall, what happens in one community affects everyone.
- mbg721 5y ago
  Yes, and Wickard v. Filburn proves that every breath you take is interstate commerce, but that's not consistent with how Americans have historically understood, and continue to understand, liberty.
  - Nasrudith 5y ago
    Except historically far harsher measures were approved for epidemics. Look up Typhoid Mary.
khazhoux 5y ago
This POV is incongruous to me. How does one believe the federal government would benefit from additional lockdowns, when everyone is so tired of living under covid? If anything, officials who impose lockdowns only decrease their popularity, even in very Blue areas.

stosto88 5y ago