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I resent this province more with each passing day. I'm debating whether to participate in this charade this time around, because I think it's in some ways wors

I resent this province more with each passing day. I'm debating whether to participate in this charade this time around, because I think it's in some ways worse than closing schools, at least for those very important early grades. With remote "learning" there is pretense that the immense damage caused by school closures is to an extent mitigated, and that's simply not even close to being true. There's much more I could write about this, but I will instead point out that this government is also locking down the very industries that are by and large small already battered business AND that were ONLY accessible to the vaccinated population (restaurants, gyms). It's also fun as a Canadian to make fun of American polarization (and sometimes do participate in these holier than thou conversations), but I also feel utterly helpless (and feel that from others) because I know full well that both the opposition parties would have done exactly the same things. There's nowhere to turn to.

artifact_44 5y ago
- bryanrasmussen 5y ago
  crotch fruit seems a little bit personally abusive and definitely rude. Just imagine, me pointing out someone was rude! It must be really bad then.
- dang 5y ago
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jimmaswell 5y ago
> There's nowhere to turn to. Come move to Florida, Utah, or any of the other states getting it right.
- craftinator 5y ago
  Ah yes, Florida, Land of Innovation, Crocodiles, and of course, Florida Man!
- seattle_spring 5y ago
  Utah and Florida are "getting it right" about the same as the "this is fine" dog in a burning building.
  - paganel 5y ago
    Don't know about Utah, but I didn't see any Florida politicians going to NY (a very pro Covid-measures state) in their free time during this pandemic. There is instead the recent case of a very famous NY politician going to Florida in her free time, no mask and all.
    - lookalike74 5y ago
      Yeah it was so famous, no one who watches Fox News noticed she was outside the whole time.
      - gruez 5y ago
        ...outside, speaking to a packed crowd.
        tsol 5y ago
        The images passed around were her and her boyfriend eating ice cream out in the open. Regardless I feel it's naive to think that the politicians on only one side of the aisle are so fundamentally different that they don't have the same casual disregard for laws that they don't agree with that most Americans have.
  - refurb 5y ago
    Seems good enough for a vacation by some politicians from states that are currently increasing restrictions.
Mikeb85 5y ago
Go to the US. TN visas are super easy to obtain if you have a degree. Even most of Europe isn't as bad as Canada right now and there's paths to immigration if you can work remote, or have credentials enough to get hired. Canada's healthcare is extremely overrated (it's basically bottom tier compared to other countries at our income level or anyone in the EU), our business environment sucks and our economic response to COVID will put us behind for the next decade; it's already showing...
- light_hue_1 5y ago
  > Canada's healthcare is extremely overrated (it's basically bottom tier compared to other countries at our income level or anyone in the EU) Funny that you say that and then tell that person to move to the US, the only country with a healthcare system that is positively disastrous compared to the Canadian one. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2021/aug/mirror-mirror-2021-reflecting-poorly https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2...
  - Mikeb85 5y ago
    US healthcare costs more but the quality of care and capacity is miles ahead. Let's face it, if you have money and/or are the class of professional that qualifies for a TN visa, you'll have health insurance and you'll receive better care than you ever could in Canada. Look at your link, the US is #2 in the only category relating to the actual care you receive. The main problem in Canada isn't the quality of care per se, it's the fact that our health care system is so gutted you can't access it in a timely manner with no options to get around it (ie. very little private delivery). Anything that's considered non-essential (which is quite a bit, including many quality of life procedures) takes months to years...
    - light_hue_1 5y ago
      > Look at your link, the US is #2 in the only category relating to the actual care you receive. That is completely untrue. The US is literally last. It's 11 out of 11. Worst outcomes across the board. From life expectancy to treatable deaths to heart attacks to infant mortality. The US is by far the worst. If you read the report, you'll see that "care process" has nothing to do with "quality". It's about things like the efficiency of electronic medical record systems, or things like "In past two years, used a secure website, patient portal, or mobile app to request Rx refills from regular practice". etc. Yeah, the US has a lot of money to waste of frills, this makes middlemen money, instead of actual care. > US healthcare costs more but the quality of care and capacity is miles ahead If you read the report, this is totally the opposite. The US costs more and has the worst outcomes. You get the worst care of all developed countries. Not only that, the US has the worst capacity! It has the lowest number of doctors per capita. The difference between the US and Canada? If you have a lot of money and work for an employer who can absorb a lot of costs, you can pay your way out of the system in the US to get faster care. The vast vast majority of people in the US and in Canada, can't do that.

artifact_44 5y ago

bryanrasmussen 5y ago
crotch fruit seems a little bit personally abusive and definitely rude. Just imagine, me pointing out someone was rude! It must be really bad then.
dang 5y ago
We've banned this account for egregiously breaking the site guidelines. You can't attack others like this here, regardless of how right you are or you feel you are. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

jimmaswell 5y ago

> There's nowhere to turn to. Come move to Florida, Utah, or any of the other states getting it right.

craftinator 5y ago
Ah yes, Florida, Land of Innovation, Crocodiles, and of course, Florida Man!
seattle_spring 5y ago
Utah and Florida are "getting it right" about the same as the "this is fine" dog in a burning building.
- paganel 5y ago
  Don't know about Utah, but I didn't see any Florida politicians going to NY (a very pro Covid-measures state) in their free time during this pandemic. There is instead the recent case of a very famous NY politician going to Florida in her free time, no mask and all.
  - lookalike74 5y ago
    Yeah it was so famous, no one who watches Fox News noticed she was outside the whole time.
    - gruez 5y ago
      ...outside, speaking to a packed crowd.
      - tsol 5y ago
        The images passed around were her and her boyfriend eating ice cream out in the open. Regardless I feel it's naive to think that the politicians on only one side of the aisle are so fundamentally different that they don't have the same casual disregard for laws that they don't agree with that most Americans have.
- refurb 5y ago
  Seems good enough for a vacation by some politicians from states that are currently increasing restrictions.

Mikeb85 5y ago

Go to the US. TN visas are super easy to obtain if you have a degree. Even most of Europe isn't as bad as Canada right now and there's paths to immigration if you can work remote, or have credentials enough to get hired. Canada's healthcare is extremely overrated (it's basically bottom tier compared to other countries at our income level or anyone in the EU), our business environment sucks and our economic response to COVID will put us behind for the next decade; it's already showing...

light_hue_1 5y ago
> Canada's healthcare is extremely overrated (it's basically bottom tier compared to other countries at our income level or anyone in the EU) Funny that you say that and then tell that person to move to the US, the only country with a healthcare system that is positively disastrous compared to the Canadian one. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2021/aug/mirror-mirror-2021-reflecting-poorly https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2...
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  US healthcare costs more but the quality of care and capacity is miles ahead. Let's face it, if you have money and/or are the class of professional that qualifies for a TN visa, you'll have health insurance and you'll receive better care than you ever could in Canada. Look at your link, the US is #2 in the only category relating to the actual care you receive. The main problem in Canada isn't the quality of care per se, it's the fact that our health care system is so gutted you can't access it in a timely manner with no options to get around it (ie. very little private delivery). Anything that's considered non-essential (which is quite a bit, including many quality of life procedures) takes months to years...
  - light_hue_1 5y ago
    > Look at your link, the US is #2 in the only category relating to the actual care you receive. That is completely untrue. The US is literally last. It's 11 out of 11. Worst outcomes across the board. From life expectancy to treatable deaths to heart attacks to infant mortality. The US is by far the worst. If you read the report, you'll see that "care process" has nothing to do with "quality". It's about things like the efficiency of electronic medical record systems, or things like "In past two years, used a secure website, patient portal, or mobile app to request Rx refills from regular practice". etc. Yeah, the US has a lot of money to waste of frills, this makes middlemen money, instead of actual care. > US healthcare costs more but the quality of care and capacity is miles ahead If you read the report, this is totally the opposite. The US costs more and has the worst outcomes. You get the worst care of all developed countries. Not only that, the US has the worst capacity! It has the lowest number of doctors per capita. The difference between the US and Canada? If you have a lot of money and work for an employer who can absorb a lot of costs, you can pay your way out of the system in the US to get faster care. The vast vast majority of people in the US and in Canada, can't do that.