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No, it's a danger because a person that commits violence against women is engaging in misogynistic behavior and can't be trusted to treat female subordinates an

No, it's a danger because a person that commits violence against women is engaging in misogynistic behavior and can't be trusted to treat female subordinates and colleagues fairly. Furthermore, Alex was reported to Github HR by multiple people for verbal abuse and nothing was done about it under Nat Friedman's leadership.

atty 5y ago
To be clear I’m not defending Alex in any way. I think it’s quite clear he should lose his job and probably be in jail, depending on the outcome of the evidence collection and eventual trial, of course. I was saying the blanket statement than the mere presence of any allegations of any form are enough to indicate a high probability of guilt, and we should therefore enforce punishment on an individual is dangerous. Historically, this sort of attitude has led to a lot of injustice. Black men being put in jail for crimes they never committed on the word of a white woman who was embarrassed to be caught in an affair, for instance. Taken to the extreme, it leads to things like witch hunts.
- betsydupuis 5y ago
- betsydupuis 5y ago
- betsydupuis 5y ago
  - gookgette 5y ago
    lol you love injecting all these hot topics and hashtags to gain support regarding other known men who who are truly evil. Alex is not anything like Harvey Weinstein or Jeffery Epstein, who trafficked women and used their money to promise them celebrity status and riches. What did Alex promise you to make this comparison, I wonder? He certainly didn't promise or bribe me with anything. From the texts i saw, you bribed him for sex to make him stay with you. You couldn't let him go, and you still can't. You were madly in love with him, and you still are deep down.
    - betsydupuis 5y ago
      Alex requested the sex. He specifically reached out to ask me to have sex with him.
      - gookgette 5y ago
        Sex is a two-way street. I saw the text where you agreed to a purely sex-based relationship. At that point Alex no longer wanted you, and he made it clear to you. You must’ve seen a sex-based relationship as a way to keep him in your life. I read the entire string of messages. You pulled inflammatory things out of context to DAMN him, and posted it all over twitter, etc. Who does that? What does that say about you to post negative gossip about someone from a private intimate relationship ? Do you ever ask yourself why you’re posting malicious things about someone? Is it justice you seek? It almost sounds like a HUMBLE BRAG to get attention, like “oh I’m hot stuff bc I dated the Hackpad founder?” If Alex wasn’t famous, would you still post this stuff? I don’t think so. And do you really think you’re doing justice by posting about some fight you guys had on twitter out of context? Who are you saving from alleged abuse? Someone who googles you or Alex like a stalker the way you do? And ask yourself why it’s still 2 years and you’re still suffering and obsessed? You clearly need some intervention, love. Please focus on forgiveness, healing, and loving others and yourself
    - betsydupuis 5y ago
      Yeah, Alex promised me a lot of stuff. A big house, that I repeatedly said I didn't want, kids, connections. A lot of that same stuff got turned into threats eventually.
- gookgette 5y ago
  [name redacted] has been on a witch hunt for Alex for 3 years. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Alex did not love her back. Alex did not strangle me. The police grossly exaggerated and misconstrued what occurred. It was a mistake to call the police. They just want to collect fines and fill their own pockets. They lied to me and I had to file a report on the police themselves. Who protects us from the police? sigh. This has become such a mess.
  - betsydupuis 5y ago
    2 years ago.
    - gookgette 5y ago
      2 years is a long time to be obsessed with an ex
      - betsydupuis 5y ago
        It takes a long time to recover from abuse and assault.
tomp 5y ago
You keep moving the goalposts of your argument. Allegedly misogynistic != actually misogynistic, and I’d personally not want Microsoft to be the arbiter of truth. Also, it’s just wrong and immoral. If the allegations are true, him losing his job is to small of a punishment; if they’re false, it’s too big of a punishment.
- betsydupuis 5y ago
  - tomp 5y ago
    > Does that mean that Cosby is innocent and should be restored? If he’s innocent (i.e. “not guilty”), yes. It’s funny how people are all about “restorative justice” and “rehabilitating criminals after they serve their sentences” except, you know, when it comes to actually doing it.
gookgette 5y ago
You make an overarching, assumptive statement, dear. I've knows Alex for years longer than you have, and he certainly does not treat women any differently than men, nor his subordinates differently than his superiors. Please stop defaming him and his friends by association.
- betsydupuis 5y ago
  There's literally another random person I've never even talked to on this thread saying that he had troubling relationships. I've spoken to many people that say the same thing.

atty 5y ago

To be clear I’m not defending Alex in any way. I think it’s quite clear he should lose his job and probably be in jail, depending on the outcome of the evidence collection and eventual trial, of course. I was saying the blanket statement than the mere presence of any allegations of any form are enough to indicate a high probability of guilt, and we should therefore enforce punishment on an individual is dangerous. Historically, this sort of attitude has led to a lot of injustice. Black men being put in jail for crimes they never committed on the word of a white woman who was embarrassed to be caught in an affair, for instance. Taken to the extreme, it leads to things like witch hunts.

betsydupuis 5y ago
betsydupuis 5y ago
betsydupuis 5y ago
- gookgette 5y ago
  lol you love injecting all these hot topics and hashtags to gain support regarding other known men who who are truly evil. Alex is not anything like Harvey Weinstein or Jeffery Epstein, who trafficked women and used their money to promise them celebrity status and riches. What did Alex promise you to make this comparison, I wonder? He certainly didn't promise or bribe me with anything. From the texts i saw, you bribed him for sex to make him stay with you. You couldn't let him go, and you still can't. You were madly in love with him, and you still are deep down.
  - betsydupuis 5y ago
    Alex requested the sex. He specifically reached out to ask me to have sex with him.
    - gookgette 5y ago
      Sex is a two-way street. I saw the text where you agreed to a purely sex-based relationship. At that point Alex no longer wanted you, and he made it clear to you. You must’ve seen a sex-based relationship as a way to keep him in your life. I read the entire string of messages. You pulled inflammatory things out of context to DAMN him, and posted it all over twitter, etc. Who does that? What does that say about you to post negative gossip about someone from a private intimate relationship ? Do you ever ask yourself why you’re posting malicious things about someone? Is it justice you seek? It almost sounds like a HUMBLE BRAG to get attention, like “oh I’m hot stuff bc I dated the Hackpad founder?” If Alex wasn’t famous, would you still post this stuff? I don’t think so. And do you really think you’re doing justice by posting about some fight you guys had on twitter out of context? Who are you saving from alleged abuse? Someone who googles you or Alex like a stalker the way you do? And ask yourself why it’s still 2 years and you’re still suffering and obsessed? You clearly need some intervention, love. Please focus on forgiveness, healing, and loving others and yourself
  - betsydupuis 5y ago
    Yeah, Alex promised me a lot of stuff. A big house, that I repeatedly said I didn't want, kids, connections. A lot of that same stuff got turned into threats eventually.
gookgette 5y ago
[name redacted] has been on a witch hunt for Alex for 3 years. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Alex did not love her back. Alex did not strangle me. The police grossly exaggerated and misconstrued what occurred. It was a mistake to call the police. They just want to collect fines and fill their own pockets. They lied to me and I had to file a report on the police themselves. Who protects us from the police? sigh. This has become such a mess.
- betsydupuis 5y ago
  2 years ago.
  - gookgette 5y ago
    2 years is a long time to be obsessed with an ex
    - betsydupuis 5y ago
      It takes a long time to recover from abuse and assault.

tomp 5y ago

You keep moving the goalposts of your argument. Allegedly misogynistic != actually misogynistic, and I’d personally not want Microsoft to be the arbiter of truth. Also, it’s just wrong and immoral. If the allegations are true, him losing his job is to small of a punishment; if they’re false, it’s too big of a punishment.

betsydupuis 5y ago
- tomp 5y ago
  > Does that mean that Cosby is innocent and should be restored? If he’s innocent (i.e. “not guilty”), yes. It’s funny how people are all about “restorative justice” and “rehabilitating criminals after they serve their sentences” except, you know, when it comes to actually doing it.

gookgette 5y ago

You make an overarching, assumptive statement, dear. I've knows Alex for years longer than you have, and he certainly does not treat women any differently than men, nor his subordinates differently than his superiors. Please stop defaming him and his friends by association.

betsydupuis 5y ago
There's literally another random person I've never even talked to on this thread saying that he had troubling relationships. I've spoken to many people that say the same thing.