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My opinion is that the "green bubble" risk is too great for teens to take, and that alone is responsible for iPhone hedgemony. No, I am not joking. Even as some

by ktta 5y ago

My opinion is that the "green bubble" risk is too great for teens to take, and that alone is responsible for iPhone hedgemony. No, I am not joking. Even as someone in my mid-20s, I get asked about why I use an Android device

sovnade 5y ago
It's crappy but it turns the entire imessage group chat into regular SMS group chat. I have an iphone now because the rest of my family does and they didn't want to lose imessage functionality by having me in the group chat.
- tryptophan 5y ago
  Or you could just download Telegram/Signal/Whatsapp/Matrix/FBmessenger. It is so baffling that downloading an app is where people draw the line and would prefer to spend hundreds of extra dollars instead.
  - MattGaiser 5y ago
    Because it isn't one app. You have to have them all.
  - detaro 5y ago
    Installing an app isn't the problem. Getting everyone else to install the app is the problem (and their choice isn't "app or money", but "install app and switch everyone over or just exclude/mock the weirdo with the low-class phone"). If you're somewhere where everybody is on Whatsapp/Facebook/... it's similar struggle with people to switch to something else you prefer (e.g. for me iMessage never was topic because just not enough relevant people had iOS for them to build an expectation that everyone has it. But there was a phase where getting people to accept that not everybody has Facebook was kind of annoying)
    - dqv 5y ago
      And try as you might to get people to switch, the majority will inevitably revert back to iMessage. I really hope Apple is forced to interoperate with RCS and to make all the bubbles blue.
      - sovnade 5y ago
        Yeah...facebook isn't dominant because it's the best platform, it's because moving away from it requires your entire circle to move away from it as well, otherwise you're just running two platforms side by side. Google Plus was superior to facebook but never stood a chance.
    - Jensson 5y ago
      > Installing an app isn't the problem. Getting everyone else to install the app is the problem Getting everyone else to buy a new phone seems to be a bigger problem, but apparently that extremely unreasonable side won.
  - sovnade 5y ago
    Yeah that's like getting your entire family to switch over from facebook to something else less awful - good luck. Oh, and then getting all of THEIR connections to also download another messaging app. And so forth. And I think the price argument against iphones isn't valid any more. The 13 Pro Max is $100 less than the Galaxy S21 Ultra. You're paying a premium for the brand new flagship phones obviously, regardless of brand.
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- ktta 5y ago
  From an Android user's side, we also have to put up with 'Liked "<message>"' spam.
- aero-glide2 5y ago
  Yeah apple did this intentionally. Phil Schiller to Tim Cook: "moving iMessage to Android will hurt us" March 3, 2016 https://twitter.com/TechEmails/status/1463558823109660677 https://twitter.com/TechEmails/status/1463558823109660677
  - sovnade 5y ago
    Yeah, same reason there's no imessage on the web like there is for android. I don't like it, but that doesn't mean there's a great workaround.
mholm 5y ago
It cuts out a lot of group messaging features when somebody has an android phone. Reacts don't work, nor any sort of imessage stickers.
- throwawayboise 5y ago
  LOL sounds like a good reason to be contrarian to me.
  - shadowgovt 5y ago
    Statistically speaking, teenagers don't want to be contrarian in that way. Outliers exist, but in the average teen doesn't want to be perceived as too poor to own an iPhone.
- Karunamon 5y ago
  That was the missing bit of info for me. It's not just that the color is different, it's that a non-iMessage user in a group chat degrades the functionality for everyone else.
- dimmke 5y ago
  You are forgetting the biggest feature: You can actually leave an iMessage group chat. An SMS group chat will keep texting you as long as someone keeps it alive. To stop getting them you have to individually block every user.
Nursie 5y ago
For those of us in our 40s and not american - what's "green bubble"?
- cnasc 5y ago
  If you use an iPhone and you send a regular SMS, the messages appear as green bubbles. iMessages appear as blue bubbles
- glouwbug 5y ago
  A text message. Blue messages are iMessage
- jshier 5y ago
  If you text an iPhone user over SMS, the message appears in a green bubble in the Messages app. If you use the native Messages protocol, it's blue. So green bubbles are an obvious outlier if most of your contacts have iPhones.
- sly010 5y ago
  Allegedly (I can't confirm, since I use Android) in imessage, non iphone users messages show up in green speech bubbles, while imessage users are blue (or grey?) [0] [0] https://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/mobile-phones/the-plight-and-conspiracy-behind-the-dreaded-green-texting-bubble/news-story/19ca0bee1ac67852bcb29966f35432d3 https://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/mobile-phones/the...
  - MBCook 5y ago
    That’s not quite right. Anything you send shows up with a grey bubble. Doesn’t matter how it’s sent. Anything you receive by SMS shows up in a green bubble. Anything you receive my iMessage shows up in a blue bubble. Obviously only Apple users can send iMessages, And Apple devices default to iMessage if they detect that the other user is also an iMessage user. iMessage is end to end encrypted, supports higher quality videos and pictures, sound clips, reactions, read status, little apps (no one uses this), reactions, effects, longer messages, and probably other things that I am forgetting. Most crucial he, EVERYONE in a chat has to be on the same protocol. Obviously this is easy when talking one on one, but it becomes a big issue when talking in a group. In a group of 100 people it only takes a single non-iPhone user to cause EVERYONE to fall back to SMS.
cbm-vic-20 5y ago
Because my elderly parents don't pay for my phone.
rbinv 5y ago
This is true. Accordingly, "blue bubbles" (iOS to iOS) are also a thing, and Apple pushes them hard in product placements all the time. They're subtly recognizable from a distance, too. It's all very on purpose and quite clever.

by ktta 5y ago

sovnade 5y ago

It's crappy but it turns the entire imessage group chat into regular SMS group chat. I have an iphone now because the rest of my family does and they didn't want to lose imessage functionality by having me in the group chat.

tryptophan 5y ago
Or you could just download Telegram/Signal/Whatsapp/Matrix/FBmessenger. It is so baffling that downloading an app is where people draw the line and would prefer to spend hundreds of extra dollars instead.
- MattGaiser 5y ago
  Because it isn't one app. You have to have them all.
- detaro 5y ago
  Installing an app isn't the problem. Getting everyone else to install the app is the problem (and their choice isn't "app or money", but "install app and switch everyone over or just exclude/mock the weirdo with the low-class phone"). If you're somewhere where everybody is on Whatsapp/Facebook/... it's similar struggle with people to switch to something else you prefer (e.g. for me iMessage never was topic because just not enough relevant people had iOS for them to build an expectation that everyone has it. But there was a phase where getting people to accept that not everybody has Facebook was kind of annoying)
  - dqv 5y ago
    And try as you might to get people to switch, the majority will inevitably revert back to iMessage. I really hope Apple is forced to interoperate with RCS and to make all the bubbles blue.
    - sovnade 5y ago
      Yeah...facebook isn't dominant because it's the best platform, it's because moving away from it requires your entire circle to move away from it as well, otherwise you're just running two platforms side by side. Google Plus was superior to facebook but never stood a chance.
  - Jensson 5y ago
    > Installing an app isn't the problem. Getting everyone else to install the app is the problem Getting everyone else to buy a new phone seems to be a bigger problem, but apparently that extremely unreasonable side won.
- sovnade 5y ago
  Yeah that's like getting your entire family to switch over from facebook to something else less awful - good luck. Oh, and then getting all of THEIR connections to also download another messaging app. And so forth. And I think the price argument against iphones isn't valid any more. The 13 Pro Max is $100 less than the Galaxy S21 Ultra. You're paying a premium for the brand new flagship phones obviously, regardless of brand.
- deleted 5y ago
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ktta 5y ago
From an Android user's side, we also have to put up with 'Liked "<message>"' spam.
aero-glide2 5y ago
Yeah apple did this intentionally. Phil Schiller to Tim Cook: "moving iMessage to Android will hurt us" March 3, 2016 https://twitter.com/TechEmails/status/1463558823109660677 https://twitter.com/TechEmails/status/1463558823109660677
- sovnade 5y ago
  Yeah, same reason there's no imessage on the web like there is for android. I don't like it, but that doesn't mean there's a great workaround.

mholm 5y ago

It cuts out a lot of group messaging features when somebody has an android phone. Reacts don't work, nor any sort of imessage stickers.

throwawayboise 5y ago
LOL sounds like a good reason to be contrarian to me.
- shadowgovt 5y ago
  Statistically speaking, teenagers don't want to be contrarian in that way. Outliers exist, but in the average teen doesn't want to be perceived as too poor to own an iPhone.
Karunamon 5y ago
That was the missing bit of info for me. It's not just that the color is different, it's that a non-iMessage user in a group chat degrades the functionality for everyone else.
dimmke 5y ago
You are forgetting the biggest feature: You can actually leave an iMessage group chat. An SMS group chat will keep texting you as long as someone keeps it alive. To stop getting them you have to individually block every user.

Nursie 5y ago

For those of us in our 40s and not american - what's "green bubble"?

cnasc 5y ago
If you use an iPhone and you send a regular SMS, the messages appear as green bubbles. iMessages appear as blue bubbles
glouwbug 5y ago
A text message. Blue messages are iMessage
jshier 5y ago
If you text an iPhone user over SMS, the message appears in a green bubble in the Messages app. If you use the native Messages protocol, it's blue. So green bubbles are an obvious outlier if most of your contacts have iPhones.
sly010 5y ago
Allegedly (I can't confirm, since I use Android) in imessage, non iphone users messages show up in green speech bubbles, while imessage users are blue (or grey?) [0] [0] https://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/mobile-phones/the-plight-and-conspiracy-behind-the-dreaded-green-texting-bubble/news-story/19ca0bee1ac67852bcb29966f35432d3 https://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/mobile-phones/the...
- MBCook 5y ago
  That’s not quite right. Anything you send shows up with a grey bubble. Doesn’t matter how it’s sent. Anything you receive by SMS shows up in a green bubble. Anything you receive my iMessage shows up in a blue bubble. Obviously only Apple users can send iMessages, And Apple devices default to iMessage if they detect that the other user is also an iMessage user. iMessage is end to end encrypted, supports higher quality videos and pictures, sound clips, reactions, read status, little apps (no one uses this), reactions, effects, longer messages, and probably other things that I am forgetting. Most crucial he, EVERYONE in a chat has to be on the same protocol. Obviously this is easy when talking one on one, but it becomes a big issue when talking in a group. In a group of 100 people it only takes a single non-iPhone user to cause EVERYONE to fall back to SMS.

cbm-vic-20 5y ago

Because my elderly parents don't pay for my phone.

rbinv 5y ago

This is true. Accordingly, "blue bubbles" (iOS to iOS) are also a thing, and Apple pushes them hard in product placements all the time. They're subtly recognizable from a distance, too. It's all very on purpose and quite clever.