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Alright, sure. I've been talking about this relationship with Nat for over a year now. It's been confirmed by Miguel de Icaza to me personally. Alex also assau

Alright, sure. I've been talking about this relationship with Nat for over a year now. It's been confirmed by Miguel de Icaza to me personally. Alex also assaulted me as well during a short, but extremely abusive relationship. Alex mentioned his relationship with Nat several times and used it to threaten me on multiple occasions. Alex attending Nat's destination wedding in Italy. It's that's not close, I don't know what is.

splch 5y ago
Again, any sources that aren't just word of mouth?
- _o68p 5y ago
  http://web.archive.org/web/20100216070208/http://hackermedley.org/ http://web.archive.org/web/20100216070208/http://hackermedle... How about their podcast together?
- throwoutway 5y ago
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laumars 5y ago
That certainly explains the personal interest you have in this case. I hope your situation has improved and any mental scares can heal with time :) Playing devils advocate for one moment: I don’t always agree with friends abandoning other friends when they turn out to be bad people. If a person stands any chance of rehabilitation they need people who are willing to stand by them. This doesn’t mean those friends support their actions - in fact they should be honest about what actions are inexcusable. But as a society we are too quick to claim guilt by association without understanding what their relationship is like and whether that friendship is helping to reform individuals who have been (understandably) abandoned by everyone else around them. I’m not making direct commentary on Alex and Nat though as I don’t know them nor their relationship. I’m just making a generalised observation.
- betsydupuis 5y ago
  Nat hasn't made any attempts to get Alex rehabilitation for this issue.
  - laumars 5y ago
    > Nat hasn't made any attempts to get Alex rehabilitation for this issue. You might be right and remember my post wasn’t commenting on Nat and Alex specifically. However, and mean this with the greatest of respect to yourself, even though you’ve been involved with Alex you still don’t truly know how Alex and Nat communicate in private between just the two of them. The reason I commented is because I’ve recently seen this same kind of mob mentality happen against some genuinely nice people who have kept their association because they were sincerely trying to rehabilitate others. So they didn’t deserve guilt by association. But their cases were different to these ones. Anyhow I’m not here to defend Nat nor Alex (I don’t even know them) and this is a understandably going to be a highly emotionally charged subject so I’ll refrain from further comments because sometimes my well intentioned remarks can come across poor (totally my issue. I’m working on fixing it). I do truly wish you happiness in any future relationships and hope this nightmare you’ve been through doesn’t leave any scares (emotional or physical) that cannot heal.
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    - betsydupuis 5y ago
      Ok, sure, but part of rehabilitation is making amends to victims. No amends have been made beyond an "apology" in which he reiterated he thought that I deserved abuse because he has more money and power than me. I initially approached Nat about with this with a great deal of empathy towards Alex in spite of what he did to me. Ignoring a victim and giving a leadership position to someone like that?

splch 5y ago

Again, any sources that aren't just word of mouth?

_o68p 5y ago
http://web.archive.org/web/20100216070208/http://hackermedley.org/ http://web.archive.org/web/20100216070208/http://hackermedle... How about their podcast together?
throwoutway 5y ago
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laumars 5y ago

That certainly explains the personal interest you have in this case. I hope your situation has improved and any mental scares can heal with time :) Playing devils advocate for one moment: I don’t always agree with friends abandoning other friends when they turn out to be bad people. If a person stands any chance of rehabilitation they need people who are willing to stand by them. This doesn’t mean those friends support their actions - in fact they should be honest about what actions are inexcusable. But as a society we are too quick to claim guilt by association without understanding what their relationship is like and whether that friendship is helping to reform individuals who have been (understandably) abandoned by everyone else around them. I’m not making direct commentary on Alex and Nat though as I don’t know them nor their relationship. I’m just making a generalised observation.

betsydupuis 5y ago
Nat hasn't made any attempts to get Alex rehabilitation for this issue.
- laumars 5y ago
  > Nat hasn't made any attempts to get Alex rehabilitation for this issue. You might be right and remember my post wasn’t commenting on Nat and Alex specifically. However, and mean this with the greatest of respect to yourself, even though you’ve been involved with Alex you still don’t truly know how Alex and Nat communicate in private between just the two of them. The reason I commented is because I’ve recently seen this same kind of mob mentality happen against some genuinely nice people who have kept their association because they were sincerely trying to rehabilitate others. So they didn’t deserve guilt by association. But their cases were different to these ones. Anyhow I’m not here to defend Nat nor Alex (I don’t even know them) and this is a understandably going to be a highly emotionally charged subject so I’ll refrain from further comments because sometimes my well intentioned remarks can come across poor (totally my issue. I’m working on fixing it). I do truly wish you happiness in any future relationships and hope this nightmare you’ve been through doesn’t leave any scares (emotional or physical) that cannot heal.
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  - betsydupuis 5y ago
    Ok, sure, but part of rehabilitation is making amends to victims. No amends have been made beyond an "apology" in which he reiterated he thought that I deserved abuse because he has more money and power than me. I initially approached Nat about with this with a great deal of empathy towards Alex in spite of what he did to me. Ignoring a victim and giving a leadership position to someone like that?