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> The problem of discrimination black people face is very real. Unfortunately your reasoning doesn’t really help the point you’re trying to make. If anything

> The problem of discrimination black people face is very real. Unfortunately your reasoning doesn’t really help the point you’re trying to make. If anything it may hurt your point. There are other explanations for that, such as the media driving racial division and race constantly be in the center of spotlight. There are a number of people of color who feel the media, corporate America is doing more harm than good. It’s understandable, in a country of 300+M people if you are specifically fed instances of racial issues, it wouldn’t be surprising someone made this generalization even though most people are not racist to the extent they wouldn’t be comfortable in his home. I’m not saying your conclusion is wrong, but your reasoning is. It would help if you cited what experiences your host had that made him feel that white people wouldn’t be comfortable in his home.

phs318u 5y ago
I’m honestly asking if you really think it’s the media driving racism in America. To believe so, seems to me to be a remarkably ignorant perspective when it comes to the history of the USA. Was the media behind racism in the 60’s? If not, then are you implying that the racism somehow went away and got better while the media picked up the baton so to speak to rekindle it? That sounds utterly ludicrous to me. Am I misunderstanding your point?
- annexrichmond 5y ago
  The suggestion was that the media could be driving racism, to some extent, today. Your points referring to what drove racism in the 60s and earlier not relevant because that's not what I said.
  - halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
    Amazing how much onus people give the media. Conveniently absolves individuals of any responsibility of their wrong doing.
  - phs318u 5y ago
    I'm asking you whether you believe there's any latent racism in America, absent the media. I find it hard to believe that anyone could possibly answer that question in the negative.
- yostrovs 5y ago
  I had two situations that point to the media being a big factor. We had a black friend (one of only two friends invited to our wedding) who we invited to our cabin that we recently purchased. The day of the get together, she cancelled saying the area where the cabin is is racist. My wife is mixed and didn't notice this in the years we visited the same area. About a week later,a long time black friend of another couple refused to visit them for the same reason: racist area. This friend visited many times before, and strangely had the same reaction at the same time as our friend. Turns out a town not far from our cabin did have a history of racism some decades ago and this was profiled on local tv. So that TV show helped kill our friendship. The other couple reconciled with their friend.
lmilcin 5y ago
I don't see any problem with reasoning here. He said: 1) That the problem is real. 2) That, anecdotally, he met one person that behaved in a way that could only be explained by the problem being real. This is not a proof, just anecdotal evidence, but quite good one. This kind of behaviour from a person is much more trustworthy to me than people just saying they are being discriminated.
- annexrichmond 5y ago
  > that could only be explained by the problem being real I gave an example where there could be another explanation. > This is not a proof, just anecdotal evidence, but quite good one it isn't anecdotal evidence because it doesn't describe a situation where his host experienced discrimination; it describes a situation where he felt he might be discriminated against. What if these feelings are unjustified? I'm not saying they aren't, but again, there isn't evidence supporting this.
mpalmer 5y ago
> There are a number of people of color who feel the media, corporate America is doing more harm than good. Isn't this the same sort of weak argument you're calling out? What people? How many is "a number"? Can you quote any of them on the racial issues they've seen the media feeding to us?
strikelaserclaw 5y ago
uh, just like 50-60 years ago there were a large group of white people fighting tooth and nail to keep black people out of their schools, you think those people didn't breed and pass on their viewpoints to their children?

phs318u 5y ago

I’m honestly asking if you really think it’s the media driving racism in America. To believe so, seems to me to be a remarkably ignorant perspective when it comes to the history of the USA. Was the media behind racism in the 60’s? If not, then are you implying that the racism somehow went away and got better while the media picked up the baton so to speak to rekindle it? That sounds utterly ludicrous to me. Am I misunderstanding your point?

annexrichmond 5y ago
The suggestion was that the media could be driving racism, to some extent, today. Your points referring to what drove racism in the 60s and earlier not relevant because that's not what I said.
- halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
  Amazing how much onus people give the media. Conveniently absolves individuals of any responsibility of their wrong doing.
- phs318u 5y ago
  I'm asking you whether you believe there's any latent racism in America, absent the media. I find it hard to believe that anyone could possibly answer that question in the negative.
yostrovs 5y ago
I had two situations that point to the media being a big factor. We had a black friend (one of only two friends invited to our wedding) who we invited to our cabin that we recently purchased. The day of the get together, she cancelled saying the area where the cabin is is racist. My wife is mixed and didn't notice this in the years we visited the same area. About a week later,a long time black friend of another couple refused to visit them for the same reason: racist area. This friend visited many times before, and strangely had the same reaction at the same time as our friend. Turns out a town not far from our cabin did have a history of racism some decades ago and this was profiled on local tv. So that TV show helped kill our friendship. The other couple reconciled with their friend.

lmilcin 5y ago

I don't see any problem with reasoning here. He said: 1) That the problem is real. 2) That, anecdotally, he met one person that behaved in a way that could only be explained by the problem being real. This is not a proof, just anecdotal evidence, but quite good one. This kind of behaviour from a person is much more trustworthy to me than people just saying they are being discriminated.

annexrichmond 5y ago
> that could only be explained by the problem being real I gave an example where there could be another explanation. > This is not a proof, just anecdotal evidence, but quite good one it isn't anecdotal evidence because it doesn't describe a situation where his host experienced discrimination; it describes a situation where he felt he might be discriminated against. What if these feelings are unjustified? I'm not saying they aren't, but again, there isn't evidence supporting this.

mpalmer 5y ago

> There are a number of people of color who feel the media, corporate America is doing more harm than good. Isn't this the same sort of weak argument you're calling out? What people? How many is "a number"? Can you quote any of them on the racial issues they've seen the media feeding to us?

strikelaserclaw 5y ago

uh, just like 50-60 years ago there were a large group of white people fighting tooth and nail to keep black people out of their schools, you think those people didn't breed and pass on their viewpoints to their children?