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How long till Linux or Gnome supports these types of laptops? To me this is an incredible concept since I can use it both as another monitor as well as a portab

How long till Linux or Gnome supports these types of laptops? To me this is an incredible concept since I can use it both as another monitor as well as a portable device for a few days of a year during my holiday. If only after it has full Linux support.

carlsborg 5y ago
Depends on the resolution. I have a regular ASUS OLED and it runs linux just fine, at least the display part.
- ismayilzadan 5y ago
  I can imagine this would work fine too in a full display mode (if that is hardware default), but then when you try to switch to a laptop mode somehow half of the screen needs to turn off and the other half needs to rotate 90 degrees. It sounds like a lot of work.
moralestapia 5y ago
>both as another monitor as well as a portable device I never thought of that and now I want it really bad. I kind of do this everyday, but with a macbook and manually.
- ismayilzadan 5y ago
  Yea, there are many people just using their laptops as a monitor on stand next to their existing monitors. Then they just use whatever separate keyboard they like. So this would essentially remove the bottom part from laptop for extra screen estate.
- dhosek 5y ago
  The MacBook-iPad integration for external display use is really quite nice. I don't use it that much right now because I've got a nice extra wide screen monitor next to my laptop stand for when I'm at home and I'm always at home, but I used to, when I would be working at the library in the olden days and it was nice to have an extra screen from time to time.
SahAssar 5y ago
From what I read the windows support for the X1 fold is still pretty bad and usually for specialty consumer devices linux support lags behind quite a bit. I was considering buying a X1 fold, but reviews saying windows support was bad (probably since windows X never launched) and no linux support even on the horizon made me hold off.
grishka 5y ago
> How long till Linux or Gnome supports these types of laptops? Approximately one eternity. Desktop Linux still doesn't support: - Using different DPI on a different screen in a multi-monitor setup (common case is when you connect a low-dpi monitor to a high-dpi laptop) - Color depth of more than 8 bits per channel - Color management in general, needed for wide-gamut displays - Any kind of HDR functionality And hardware that has these features that Linux can't make use of due to a series of unfortunate architectural decisions has existed for a long time.
- Lio 5y ago
  > Using different DPI on a different screen in a multi-monitor setup (common case is when you connect a low-dpi monitor to a high-dpi laptop) Linux definitely does support this. I use this exact feature with Gnome and Wayland daily to combine a 4K XPS13 with a 27” 1440p monitor.
  - asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
    I wasn't able to get it to work as recently as two years ago. Would you share a link to your recipe?
    - vetinari 5y ago
      Just use wayland, done.
      - Too 5y ago
        Would have loved to agree, but unfortunately using nvidia.
    - LukeShu 5y ago
      I did a write-up of the low-levels of how it works on Xorg: https://reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/c8hgt8/my_laptop_has_a_high_dpi_and_im_currently_looking/esn0x71/ https://reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/c8hgt8/my_laptop_has... Missing from that: - Gnome actually does the scaling in the compositor, not in the X server itself. - Most desktop environments should be doing all that for you. At the time I wrote that (over 2 years ago), in Gnome you had to go in to an advanced settings menu and enable "experimental fractional scaling"; I'm not sure if that's still true today. - Some things pick up the DPI from the XSETTINGS protocol, not from the XRDB. Specifically, parts of Java's AWT/Swing do this. But other parts use the XRDB. And they conflict with eachother. When I last looked at Swing (April-ish 2020) it was impossible to get it to do the right thing on X11 (I was working on a patch, but then I had some life disruptions and never came back to it).
xwdv 5y ago
Maybe in the year 2050.

carlsborg 5y ago

Depends on the resolution. I have a regular ASUS OLED and it runs linux just fine, at least the display part.

ismayilzadan 5y ago
I can imagine this would work fine too in a full display mode (if that is hardware default), but then when you try to switch to a laptop mode somehow half of the screen needs to turn off and the other half needs to rotate 90 degrees. It sounds like a lot of work.

moralestapia 5y ago

>both as another monitor as well as a portable device I never thought of that and now I want it really bad. I kind of do this everyday, but with a macbook and manually.

ismayilzadan 5y ago
Yea, there are many people just using their laptops as a monitor on stand next to their existing monitors. Then they just use whatever separate keyboard they like. So this would essentially remove the bottom part from laptop for extra screen estate.
dhosek 5y ago
The MacBook-iPad integration for external display use is really quite nice. I don't use it that much right now because I've got a nice extra wide screen monitor next to my laptop stand for when I'm at home and I'm always at home, but I used to, when I would be working at the library in the olden days and it was nice to have an extra screen from time to time.

SahAssar 5y ago

From what I read the windows support for the X1 fold is still pretty bad and usually for specialty consumer devices linux support lags behind quite a bit. I was considering buying a X1 fold, but reviews saying windows support was bad (probably since windows X never launched) and no linux support even on the horizon made me hold off.

grishka 5y ago

> How long till Linux or Gnome supports these types of laptops? Approximately one eternity. Desktop Linux still doesn't support: - Using different DPI on a different screen in a multi-monitor setup (common case is when you connect a low-dpi monitor to a high-dpi laptop) - Color depth of more than 8 bits per channel - Color management in general, needed for wide-gamut displays - Any kind of HDR functionality And hardware that has these features that Linux can't make use of due to a series of unfortunate architectural decisions has existed for a long time.

Lio 5y ago
> Using different DPI on a different screen in a multi-monitor setup (common case is when you connect a low-dpi monitor to a high-dpi laptop) Linux definitely does support this. I use this exact feature with Gnome and Wayland daily to combine a 4K XPS13 with a 27” 1440p monitor.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
  I wasn't able to get it to work as recently as two years ago. Would you share a link to your recipe?
  - vetinari 5y ago
    Just use wayland, done.
    - Too 5y ago
      Would have loved to agree, but unfortunately using nvidia.
  - LukeShu 5y ago
    I did a write-up of the low-levels of how it works on Xorg: https://reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/c8hgt8/my_laptop_has_a_high_dpi_and_im_currently_looking/esn0x71/ https://reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/c8hgt8/my_laptop_has... Missing from that: - Gnome actually does the scaling in the compositor, not in the X server itself. - Most desktop environments should be doing all that for you. At the time I wrote that (over 2 years ago), in Gnome you had to go in to an advanced settings menu and enable "experimental fractional scaling"; I'm not sure if that's still true today. - Some things pick up the DPI from the XSETTINGS protocol, not from the XRDB. Specifically, parts of Java's AWT/Swing do this. But other parts use the XRDB. And they conflict with eachother. When I last looked at Swing (April-ish 2020) it was impossible to get it to do the right thing on X11 (I was working on a patch, but then I had some life disruptions and never came back to it).

xwdv 5y ago

Maybe in the year 2050.