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This is a really horrible project and should be avoided IMO. Not only are the instructions on their website incorrect for building & installation on M1 Macs, y

This is a really horrible project and should be avoided IMO. Not only are the instructions on their website incorrect for building & installation on M1 Macs, you cannot run the app without it crashing on M1. https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2421 https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2421 https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2934 https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2934 These things are not a big deal! Bugs happen. I would be more than happy to contribute and try to help fix these things. However, when this was mentioned (politely!) to the devs in the discord by a user one was actively hostile in reply: https://imgur.com/a/sHzSaae https://imgur.com/a/sHzSaae This does not seem like a team that cares about its users one bit. I'll take the perf hit (is there one?) and stick to electron. EDIT: After posting this knee jerk comment spawned from a night of frustration using Tauri a couple weeks ago, I think I would like to retract calling it a “horrible project.” It’s technically interesting, and even good (when it works, I hear), but this was easily the worst experience I’ve ever had in FOSS.

roflc0ptic 5y ago
“Sorry if I was rude but it was intentional… if you fcking people would read…” I don’t know if this is a reason to embargo a project in its entire (is this person in charge? What do the other devs think of this behavior?), but jeez, that is unpleasant.
- rattlesnakedave 5y ago
  I agree the one interaction is not enough to embargo the whole project. If it works for you, great! I even find the work they’re doing with rust technically interesting. However, the damn thing just not working AND that interaction (not me in screenshot) really put me over the edge after a night of trying and failing to get my app to build + run.
- egeozcan 5y ago
  For starters, I'd never introduce a project with such people exposed to the community in my company. We always get paid support when available but humans sometimes don't read and they do ask stupid questions, and such answers can get some people responsible with the choice in big trouble, or at the very least, it forces us to drop it for an alternative. I'd expect them to have some sort of code of conduct and remain compliant to it.
burlesona 5y ago
This is a reason why discord is not good as a "project discussion hub." Make most of your knowledge sharing ephemeral and it means you have to repeat yourself over and over.
- throwaddzuzxd 5y ago
  You can still create a FAQ. Discord is a great way to know what are the frequently asked questions.
  - tomrod 5y ago
    IRC has loads less overhead with equivalent ephemerality! :) I'll not bemoan folks choice of comms channels, just would be nice to have a consistent place to do it. Between Gitter, slack, IRC, Discord, and others, fragmentation of chat clients is annoying. Pidgin solved this all a long time ago but then XMPP got dumped.
    - zaik 5y ago
      > but then XMPP got dumped by Google and Facebook.
      - tomrod 5y ago
        And virtually everyone else, right? What is open standard used today?
        zaik 5y ago
        XMPP is still alive (= there is a community maintaining protocol, clients and servers). I am using XMPP exclusively for chat since about one year, pulling in most of my friends. It seems that if users do not demand the usage of Internet Standards like XMPP we will be stuck with corporate walled gardens forever. See also: https://blog.samwhited.com/2019/02/whats-wrong-with-xmpp/ https://blog.samwhited.com/2019/02/whats-wrong-with-xmpp/
nkrisc 5y ago
The project is horrible because one of the devs said something that wasn’t nice? Are you saying the project is horrible on its technical merits, or you just don’t like the developer’s response to someone?
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- rattlesnakedave 5y ago
  Yeah, you’re right. I just edited before I saw this. Likely not horrible, just doesn’t work, and not friendly to new users.
tomrod 5y ago
Sounds like a frustrated open source maintainer who has had to handhold users and perhaps isn't terribly good at it. Does that speak to technical competence of the project? Not sure. This seems pretty mild compared to Linus Torvalds' infamous excoriations. That said, I would hope the maintainers and devs would spend time reviewing issues to become familiar with the feedback, at a minimum. I for one want a faster Electron, and Rust sounds like a great way to get there.
- rattlesnakedave 5y ago
  Re: Linus, at least the linux kernel works. More seriously, you’re correct. See the new edit. Likely a good project, just doesn’t work well on M1 AFAIK, and doesn’t seem super friendly.
  - tomrod 5y ago
    We can all use more compassion and empathy. Be at peace, and hopefully the developer(s) can correct course on their principles of engagement.
zozbot234 5y ago
> This is a really horrible project and should be avoided IMO. I'm glad to see that you've retracted this, but note per HN Commenting Guidelines: "Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something."
schickling 5y ago
Hi folks, I'm the user from the screenshot above (thanks for sharing this btw). I have to say, this was a quite unpleasant and unwelcoming interaction as my question was genuine and I indeed did do some extensive research before asking this question in Discord. As a devtools founder myself (co-founded www.prisma.io) I highly value welcoming and helpful communities and offered my help to the people behind the Tauri project to turn it into a more welcoming community. I hope they are open to it since I actually really enjoy using Tauri as a project.
- WolfOliver 5y ago
  Are you still using tauri?
  - schickling 5y ago
    Yes and besides this mentioned M1 problem, it's been really great to use. I think Tauri has a lot of potential!
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- nim2020 5y ago
  Hi Schickling. Denjell here from the founding team of Tauri. Thanks for reaching out directly, and I just wanted to state for the HN record, that we are going to be having a board discussion surrounding the unpleasant event raised here, and will make a public statement very soon. That said, on a personal note, I am quite sorry this happened. We do support and uphold our Code of Conduct, and this is not an appropriate response and the community tone we want to nurture.
  - schickling 5y ago
    I'm excited to hear you're looking into this and take it serious. I think this is a great opportunity to for the Tauri community to become a more welcoming and inclusive place. Happy to help!
marcosdumay 5y ago
That is certainly rude. But the contents aren't very problematic. This is one person tired of repeating himself in a chat. The issues up there have a much more reasonable discussion. I wouldn't embargo the project due to it, but it's worth looking if they have a better channel than the discord one. Anyway, the Mac isn't a good environment for webviewers (notice that there are other projects with this same known bug).

roflc0ptic 5y ago

“Sorry if I was rude but it was intentional… if you fcking people would read…” I don’t know if this is a reason to embargo a project in its entire (is this person in charge? What do the other devs think of this behavior?), but jeez, that is unpleasant.

rattlesnakedave 5y ago
I agree the one interaction is not enough to embargo the whole project. If it works for you, great! I even find the work they’re doing with rust technically interesting. However, the damn thing just not working AND that interaction (not me in screenshot) really put me over the edge after a night of trying and failing to get my app to build + run.
egeozcan 5y ago
For starters, I'd never introduce a project with such people exposed to the community in my company. We always get paid support when available but humans sometimes don't read and they do ask stupid questions, and such answers can get some people responsible with the choice in big trouble, or at the very least, it forces us to drop it for an alternative. I'd expect them to have some sort of code of conduct and remain compliant to it.

burlesona 5y ago

This is a reason why discord is not good as a "project discussion hub." Make most of your knowledge sharing ephemeral and it means you have to repeat yourself over and over.

throwaddzuzxd 5y ago
You can still create a FAQ. Discord is a great way to know what are the frequently asked questions.
- tomrod 5y ago
  IRC has loads less overhead with equivalent ephemerality! :) I'll not bemoan folks choice of comms channels, just would be nice to have a consistent place to do it. Between Gitter, slack, IRC, Discord, and others, fragmentation of chat clients is annoying. Pidgin solved this all a long time ago but then XMPP got dumped.
  - zaik 5y ago
    > but then XMPP got dumped by Google and Facebook.
    - tomrod 5y ago
      And virtually everyone else, right? What is open standard used today?
      - zaik 5y ago
        XMPP is still alive (= there is a community maintaining protocol, clients and servers). I am using XMPP exclusively for chat since about one year, pulling in most of my friends. It seems that if users do not demand the usage of Internet Standards like XMPP we will be stuck with corporate walled gardens forever. See also: https://blog.samwhited.com/2019/02/whats-wrong-with-xmpp/ https://blog.samwhited.com/2019/02/whats-wrong-with-xmpp/

nkrisc 5y ago

The project is horrible because one of the devs said something that wasn’t nice? Are you saying the project is horrible on its technical merits, or you just don’t like the developer’s response to someone?

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rattlesnakedave 5y ago
Yeah, you’re right. I just edited before I saw this. Likely not horrible, just doesn’t work, and not friendly to new users.

tomrod 5y ago

Sounds like a frustrated open source maintainer who has had to handhold users and perhaps isn't terribly good at it. Does that speak to technical competence of the project? Not sure. This seems pretty mild compared to Linus Torvalds' infamous excoriations. That said, I would hope the maintainers and devs would spend time reviewing issues to become familiar with the feedback, at a minimum. I for one want a faster Electron, and Rust sounds like a great way to get there.

rattlesnakedave 5y ago
Re: Linus, at least the linux kernel works. More seriously, you’re correct. See the new edit. Likely a good project, just doesn’t work well on M1 AFAIK, and doesn’t seem super friendly.
- tomrod 5y ago
  We can all use more compassion and empathy. Be at peace, and hopefully the developer(s) can correct course on their principles of engagement.

zozbot234 5y ago

> This is a really horrible project and should be avoided IMO. I'm glad to see that you've retracted this, but note per HN Commenting Guidelines: "Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something."

schickling 5y ago

Hi folks, I'm the user from the screenshot above (thanks for sharing this btw). I have to say, this was a quite unpleasant and unwelcoming interaction as my question was genuine and I indeed did do some extensive research before asking this question in Discord. As a devtools founder myself (co-founded www.prisma.io) I highly value welcoming and helpful communities and offered my help to the people behind the Tauri project to turn it into a more welcoming community. I hope they are open to it since I actually really enjoy using Tauri as a project.

WolfOliver 5y ago
Are you still using tauri?
- schickling 5y ago
  Yes and besides this mentioned M1 problem, it's been really great to use. I think Tauri has a lot of potential!
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nim2020 5y ago
Hi Schickling. Denjell here from the founding team of Tauri. Thanks for reaching out directly, and I just wanted to state for the HN record, that we are going to be having a board discussion surrounding the unpleasant event raised here, and will make a public statement very soon. That said, on a personal note, I am quite sorry this happened. We do support and uphold our Code of Conduct, and this is not an appropriate response and the community tone we want to nurture.
- schickling 5y ago
  I'm excited to hear you're looking into this and take it serious. I think this is a great opportunity to for the Tauri community to become a more welcoming and inclusive place. Happy to help!

marcosdumay 5y ago

That is certainly rude. But the contents aren't very problematic. This is one person tired of repeating himself in a chat. The issues up there have a much more reasonable discussion. I wouldn't embargo the project due to it, but it's worth looking if they have a better channel than the discord one. Anyway, the Mac isn't a good environment for webviewers (notice that there are other projects with this same known bug).