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> Then there’s also the mandate-oriented approach to COVID in many states, which removes individual agency and replaces it with authoritarian approaches. Ah ye

by 14u2c 5y ago

> Then there’s also the mandate-oriented approach to COVID in many states, which removes individual agency and replaces it with authoritarian approaches. Ah yes another person who equates a basic courtesy, wearing a mask, with authoritarianism. Or are you referring to lockdowns that have not existed anywhere for 1.5 years? Im finding it increasingly difficulty to entertain any viewpoint of those that lack basic empathy and understanding of common good.

parkingrift 5y ago
You will enjoy the common good, by force if required!
throwawaysea 5y ago
To you, wearing a mask is not a problem. For me it is and I hate wearing one, although I do it because the law has forced me to. Wearing a mask makes me feel hot. It fogs up my glasses. Breathing is uncomfortable and strained. I dislike not being able to see people’s smiles and emotions. If those things are not important to you, so be it. But it matters to me, and I don’t think it is reasonable to reframe a difference in what I feel or value as being discourteous. That to me feels like a lack of basic empathy as well. To explore this further - I question why people should be forced to wear a mask just so others can have the reduced risk conditions that enable them to go about their normal lives. Why don’t those who are worried about COVID simply quarantine themselves and let everyone else go about their lives freely? The notion that wearing masks suddenly gives risk averse people the safety they desire doesn’t make sense. On the one hand, I hear extreme fear of COVID despite its very low infection fatality rate. On the other hand, despite those fears, people seem to be OK with leaving home if there are mask mandates, even though there still is a nonzero risk of them being infected. So which is it - because clearly if this is a deadly virus everyone should fear, the only reasonable stance is to self-quarantine - in which case it doesn’t matter what others do. This makes me view mask mandates as wholly arbitrary theater, something that is now a political football for those who favor statist approaches. As for your claim that lockdowns have not existed anywhere - that depends on what you feel a lockdown is. Certainly various cities and states have restricted activities of different kinds to different degrees. Claiming there has been no lockdown feels disingenuous to me. Lastly, regarding authoritarianism: I consider local/state/federal governments implementing vaccine mandates or forcing businesses to violate the bodily autonomy and health privacy of their customers/employees to be authoritarian. And I say that as a fully vaccinated person. I prefer a system of governance where individuals retain agency and can decide locally what to do with their bodies, what the risks are, and what risks they are willing to tolerate.
- Daishiman 5y ago
  This is the snowflakiest of a snowflake posts I have ever read. There are entire hospital wards that are shutting down elective surgeries because of people like you. I haven't seen a friend in two years because his wife works with immunocompromised patients and Omicron is so prevalent that any flight nets you an enormous likelihood of catching COVID. A 40% increase in the number of deaths in working-age population and several service industries getting critic staff shortages because of everybody going sick, but hey, at least your glasses don't have to be foggy.
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  - remarkEon 5y ago
    >A 40% increase in the number of deaths in working-age population Where are you coming up with this number?
    - Daishiman 5y ago
      Stats provided by a life insurance company, recently mentioned here and /r/covid19
  - boeingUH60 5y ago
    Lol, the person you’re replying to said he’s fully vaccinated, and somehow you’re blaming him for the increase in deaths and hospitalization when the stats clearly show that fully vaccinated people have very low risk of hospitalization, all because he said he doesn’t like masks (and despite that still wears them when required). COVID hysteria is just an interesting thing.
  - sul_tasto 5y ago
    I’m curious where your friend and his wife live. Where I live we have a 90% vaccination rate, reinstated mask mandates and hospitals full beyond capacity, such that non-covid patients can’t get care. My family and I are all fully vaccinated and we wear masks as required. Yet my son still caught covid in late November and it went through our house. You can rail against those with differing points of view, but in my experience the masks aren’t working on a macro level. They’re not even slowing the infection rate. I’m also tired of the theater and ineffective restrictions.
bunfunton 5y ago
Well he’s not the only one.
gruez 5y ago
>Ah yes another person who equates a basic courtesy, wearing a mask, with authoritarianism. Whether something is a "a basic courtesy" (ie. how agreeable it is) has nothing to do with whether the state mandating it counts as authoritarianism. I'd certainly be crying "authoritarianism" if the state mandated that I had to thank the bus driver. >Or are you referring to lockdowns that have not existed anywhere for 1.5 years they shut down restaurants (and various other businesses), didn't they? They also banned events and large public gatherings. Or does it not count as a lockdown unless there's martial law and a soldier with instructions to shoot to kill at every street corner?
black_13 5y ago

by 14u2c 5y ago

parkingrift 5y ago

You will enjoy the common good, by force if required!

throwawaysea 5y ago

To you, wearing a mask is not a problem. For me it is and I hate wearing one, although I do it because the law has forced me to. Wearing a mask makes me feel hot. It fogs up my glasses. Breathing is uncomfortable and strained. I dislike not being able to see people’s smiles and emotions. If those things are not important to you, so be it. But it matters to me, and I don’t think it is reasonable to reframe a difference in what I feel or value as being discourteous. That to me feels like a lack of basic empathy as well. To explore this further - I question why people should be forced to wear a mask just so others can have the reduced risk conditions that enable them to go about their normal lives. Why don’t those who are worried about COVID simply quarantine themselves and let everyone else go about their lives freely? The notion that wearing masks suddenly gives risk averse people the safety they desire doesn’t make sense. On the one hand, I hear extreme fear of COVID despite its very low infection fatality rate. On the other hand, despite those fears, people seem to be OK with leaving home if there are mask mandates, even though there still is a nonzero risk of them being infected. So which is it - because clearly if this is a deadly virus everyone should fear, the only reasonable stance is to self-quarantine - in which case it doesn’t matter what others do. This makes me view mask mandates as wholly arbitrary theater, something that is now a political football for those who favor statist approaches. As for your claim that lockdowns have not existed anywhere - that depends on what you feel a lockdown is. Certainly various cities and states have restricted activities of different kinds to different degrees. Claiming there has been no lockdown feels disingenuous to me. Lastly, regarding authoritarianism: I consider local/state/federal governments implementing vaccine mandates or forcing businesses to violate the bodily autonomy and health privacy of their customers/employees to be authoritarian. And I say that as a fully vaccinated person. I prefer a system of governance where individuals retain agency and can decide locally what to do with their bodies, what the risks are, and what risks they are willing to tolerate.

Daishiman 5y ago
This is the snowflakiest of a snowflake posts I have ever read. There are entire hospital wards that are shutting down elective surgeries because of people like you. I haven't seen a friend in two years because his wife works with immunocompromised patients and Omicron is so prevalent that any flight nets you an enormous likelihood of catching COVID. A 40% increase in the number of deaths in working-age population and several service industries getting critic staff shortages because of everybody going sick, but hey, at least your glasses don't have to be foggy.
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- remarkEon 5y ago
  >A 40% increase in the number of deaths in working-age population Where are you coming up with this number?
  - Daishiman 5y ago
    Stats provided by a life insurance company, recently mentioned here and /r/covid19
- boeingUH60 5y ago
  Lol, the person you’re replying to said he’s fully vaccinated, and somehow you’re blaming him for the increase in deaths and hospitalization when the stats clearly show that fully vaccinated people have very low risk of hospitalization, all because he said he doesn’t like masks (and despite that still wears them when required). COVID hysteria is just an interesting thing.
- sul_tasto 5y ago
  I’m curious where your friend and his wife live. Where I live we have a 90% vaccination rate, reinstated mask mandates and hospitals full beyond capacity, such that non-covid patients can’t get care. My family and I are all fully vaccinated and we wear masks as required. Yet my son still caught covid in late November and it went through our house. You can rail against those with differing points of view, but in my experience the masks aren’t working on a macro level. They’re not even slowing the infection rate. I’m also tired of the theater and ineffective restrictions.

bunfunton 5y ago

Well he’s not the only one.

gruez 5y ago

>Ah yes another person who equates a basic courtesy, wearing a mask, with authoritarianism. Whether something is a "a basic courtesy" (ie. how agreeable it is) has nothing to do with whether the state mandating it counts as authoritarianism. I'd certainly be crying "authoritarianism" if the state mandated that I had to thank the bus driver. >Or are you referring to lockdowns that have not existed anywhere for 1.5 years they shut down restaurants (and various other businesses), didn't they? They also banned events and large public gatherings. Or does it not count as a lockdown unless there's martial law and a soldier with instructions to shoot to kill at every street corner?

black_13 5y ago