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I’ve heard anecdotally of remote workers moving to places like Florida due to tax policies. That makes sense to me, since it isn’t clear what the high taxes of

I’ve heard anecdotally of remote workers moving to places like Florida due to tax policies. That makes sense to me, since it isn’t clear what the high taxes of CA actually get you. Other politically-similar states like WA are also raising taxes - in their case it is illegal to levy a graduated income tax per state law, but they’re nevertheless trying to do so and hoping the courts rule in the state’s favor (https://www.washingtonpolicy.org/publications/detail/capital-gains-income-tax-quotes-who-said-it https://www.washingtonpolicy.org/publications/detail/capital...). Then there’s also the mandate-oriented approach to COVID in many states, which removes individual agency and replaces it with authoritarian approaches. Then there’s huge surges in crime (shoplifting, catalytic converter theft, burglaries, etc) brought on by defunding and soft-on-crime restorative justice policies. Add it all up, and it really does feel like many states are practicing hostile governance under the banners of being progressive or following the science or whatever. Florida is not for me, but I can see its attractiveness - good weather, low taxes, higher liberty, and handling basic governance like crime. I’m not surprised that many are seeking out something like it.

the_only_law 5y ago
> good weather For a couple months maybe. I’m free up in the south and most of the year is miserable for me in FL.
14u2c 5y ago
> Then there’s also the mandate-oriented approach to COVID in many states, which removes individual agency and replaces it with authoritarian approaches. Ah yes another person who equates a basic courtesy, wearing a mask, with authoritarianism. Or are you referring to lockdowns that have not existed anywhere for 1.5 years? Im finding it increasingly difficulty to entertain any viewpoint of those that lack basic empathy and understanding of common good.
- parkingrift 5y ago
  You will enjoy the common good, by force if required!
- throwawaysea 5y ago
  To you, wearing a mask is not a problem. For me it is and I hate wearing one, although I do it because the law has forced me to. Wearing a mask makes me feel hot. It fogs up my glasses. Breathing is uncomfortable and strained. I dislike not being able to see people’s smiles and emotions. If those things are not important to you, so be it. But it matters to me, and I don’t think it is reasonable to reframe a difference in what I feel or value as being discourteous. That to me feels like a lack of basic empathy as well. To explore this further - I question why people should be forced to wear a mask just so others can have the reduced risk conditions that enable them to go about their normal lives. Why don’t those who are worried about COVID simply quarantine themselves and let everyone else go about their lives freely? The notion that wearing masks suddenly gives risk averse people the safety they desire doesn’t make sense. On the one hand, I hear extreme fear of COVID despite its very low infection fatality rate. On the other hand, despite those fears, people seem to be OK with leaving home if there are mask mandates, even though there still is a nonzero risk of them being infected. So which is it - because clearly if this is a deadly virus everyone should fear, the only reasonable stance is to self-quarantine - in which case it doesn’t matter what others do. This makes me view mask mandates as wholly arbitrary theater, something that is now a political football for those who favor statist approaches. As for your claim that lockdowns have not existed anywhere - that depends on what you feel a lockdown is. Certainly various cities and states have restricted activities of different kinds to different degrees. Claiming there has been no lockdown feels disingenuous to me. Lastly, regarding authoritarianism: I consider local/state/federal governments implementing vaccine mandates or forcing businesses to violate the bodily autonomy and health privacy of their customers/employees to be authoritarian. And I say that as a fully vaccinated person. I prefer a system of governance where individuals retain agency and can decide locally what to do with their bodies, what the risks are, and what risks they are willing to tolerate.
  - Daishiman 5y ago
    This is the snowflakiest of a snowflake posts I have ever read. There are entire hospital wards that are shutting down elective surgeries because of people like you. I haven't seen a friend in two years because his wife works with immunocompromised patients and Omicron is so prevalent that any flight nets you an enormous likelihood of catching COVID. A 40% increase in the number of deaths in working-age population and several service industries getting critic staff shortages because of everybody going sick, but hey, at least your glasses don't have to be foggy.
- bunfunton 5y ago
  Well he’s not the only one.
- gruez 5y ago
  >Ah yes another person who equates a basic courtesy, wearing a mask, with authoritarianism. Whether something is a "a basic courtesy" (ie. how agreeable it is) has nothing to do with whether the state mandating it counts as authoritarianism. I'd certainly be crying "authoritarianism" if the state mandated that I had to thank the bus driver. >Or are you referring to lockdowns that have not existed anywhere for 1.5 years they shut down restaurants (and various other businesses), didn't they? They also banned events and large public gatherings. Or does it not count as a lockdown unless there's martial law and a soldier with instructions to shoot to kill at every street corner?
- black_13 5y ago

the_only_law 5y ago

> good weather For a couple months maybe. I’m free up in the south and most of the year is miserable for me in FL.

14u2c 5y ago

> Then there’s also the mandate-oriented approach to COVID in many states, which removes individual agency and replaces it with authoritarian approaches. Ah yes another person who equates a basic courtesy, wearing a mask, with authoritarianism. Or are you referring to lockdowns that have not existed anywhere for 1.5 years? Im finding it increasingly difficulty to entertain any viewpoint of those that lack basic empathy and understanding of common good.

parkingrift 5y ago
You will enjoy the common good, by force if required!
throwawaysea 5y ago
To you, wearing a mask is not a problem. For me it is and I hate wearing one, although I do it because the law has forced me to. Wearing a mask makes me feel hot. It fogs up my glasses. Breathing is uncomfortable and strained. I dislike not being able to see people’s smiles and emotions. If those things are not important to you, so be it. But it matters to me, and I don’t think it is reasonable to reframe a difference in what I feel or value as being discourteous. That to me feels like a lack of basic empathy as well. To explore this further - I question why people should be forced to wear a mask just so others can have the reduced risk conditions that enable them to go about their normal lives. Why don’t those who are worried about COVID simply quarantine themselves and let everyone else go about their lives freely? The notion that wearing masks suddenly gives risk averse people the safety they desire doesn’t make sense. On the one hand, I hear extreme fear of COVID despite its very low infection fatality rate. On the other hand, despite those fears, people seem to be OK with leaving home if there are mask mandates, even though there still is a nonzero risk of them being infected. So which is it - because clearly if this is a deadly virus everyone should fear, the only reasonable stance is to self-quarantine - in which case it doesn’t matter what others do. This makes me view mask mandates as wholly arbitrary theater, something that is now a political football for those who favor statist approaches. As for your claim that lockdowns have not existed anywhere - that depends on what you feel a lockdown is. Certainly various cities and states have restricted activities of different kinds to different degrees. Claiming there has been no lockdown feels disingenuous to me. Lastly, regarding authoritarianism: I consider local/state/federal governments implementing vaccine mandates or forcing businesses to violate the bodily autonomy and health privacy of their customers/employees to be authoritarian. And I say that as a fully vaccinated person. I prefer a system of governance where individuals retain agency and can decide locally what to do with their bodies, what the risks are, and what risks they are willing to tolerate.
- Daishiman 5y ago
  This is the snowflakiest of a snowflake posts I have ever read. There are entire hospital wards that are shutting down elective surgeries because of people like you. I haven't seen a friend in two years because his wife works with immunocompromised patients and Omicron is so prevalent that any flight nets you an enormous likelihood of catching COVID. A 40% increase in the number of deaths in working-age population and several service industries getting critic staff shortages because of everybody going sick, but hey, at least your glasses don't have to be foggy.
bunfunton 5y ago
Well he’s not the only one.
gruez 5y ago
>Ah yes another person who equates a basic courtesy, wearing a mask, with authoritarianism. Whether something is a "a basic courtesy" (ie. how agreeable it is) has nothing to do with whether the state mandating it counts as authoritarianism. I'd certainly be crying "authoritarianism" if the state mandated that I had to thank the bus driver. >Or are you referring to lockdowns that have not existed anywhere for 1.5 years they shut down restaurants (and various other businesses), didn't they? They also banned events and large public gatherings. Or does it not count as a lockdown unless there's martial law and a soldier with instructions to shoot to kill at every street corner?
black_13 5y ago