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There is one thing that is innate. I can tell you. I saw it from my nephews recently. One was building a castle, like five floors high with some stuff. The you

There is one thing that is innate. I can tell you. I saw it from my nephews recently. One was building a castle, like five floors high with some stuff. The younger kid comes and destroys it. His brother gets deeply annoyed and started to cry. Why? Because he spent time building it. They are three and one years old. Do you think anyone taught them to get annoyed when the castle is destroyed? No, it is innate: what takes effort has a value for humans. We did not have the level of wealth of today before, but every single human that puts time somewhere wants to be the ruler of that effort. That is innate I think. I saw it clearly with my nephew's reaction. Noone taught him that. Looks like a good experiment to me.

ntSean 5y ago
Your experiment speaks to how we interpret transgressions, and for that, it is true- taxes are seen as robbery. Does your nephew now own the sand he used to build that castle? I would hope not, as I think we’d agree, many kids would suffer! And likewise, many people believe so strongly in their ownership of money, that they don’t mind if others suffer.
- germandiago 5y ago
  > taxes are seen as robbery Taxes are robbery. If you did the same to your neighbor under threat, you would end up in jail. If a mafia does that, they go to jail. If the government does it, they do not. And they did not ask you to adhere to a contract. It works with reversed logic from what we do in real life with others. There is no single logical justification to say it is not robbery. That is independent of whether what they do with that money is good or bad. A different discussion. > And likewise, many people believe so strongly in their ownership of money. Which represents just that you offered something worth that money to others, in the absense of threat or violence. So yes, now it belongs to them because of an exchange. > that they don’t mind if others suffer. Or even worse, some people subtract that money from us by providing no value, unlike the average of humans who at least sells something or provides a service and pretends that the people providing services or products are worse than the person subtracting in exchange of nothing under the threat of prison. Also, it seems that to you the person being subtracted the money they earned and spent time to get it(could be money or anything else, I am talking about effort) do not suffer. I guess they do not have a soul or feelings or do not deserve the same respect as the others.
  - ntSean 5y ago
    > There is no single logical justification to say it is not robbery It is the cost to you living in society; a society which provides infrastructure such as roads, education, sanitation, and food. A society which provides customers and a marketplace to trade in. The roller coaster of watching you add and edit this comment was truly an experience. Have a great day.
    - germandiago 5y ago
      This would be true if they came and tell me which services I am willing to pay and use. That is not what they do. What they do is to pack all things together, to extract money from there for them also, to make systems with way too many people to manage stuff that can be managed more efficiently and to pass you the bill without asking. Of course that is robbery. Imagine they force you to eat in a certain restarant and you must eat there, because they decided so without asking. Now let us say the food should be 15 dollars and they charge you 45, without asking. This is what they do. It is totally, totally unfair. Later they will come and tell you: hey, you can eat thanks to me! You owe me respect. When in fact, I could have gone find my own way and eat for 15. It is absurd. And robbery, of course. Noone asked me. That is illegal if you do it to someone. It is as if a telco came and charge you a bill of 50 usd and you get mad and go and say: hey, I did not hire your services. And they reply: the contract is implicit. They would be in trouble.
  - thrashh 5y ago
    Somewhere can’t be robbery if you continue to permit it everyday… if you actually believed your words, you’d move to the middle of nowhere with no Internet and electricity or roads. And it’s not robbery if you’re getting something from it everyday, which you clearly are because you’re posting on the Internet and drinking clean water.
    - b3nji 5y ago
      I'm not sure what country you are from, but my taxes to the government certainly don't pay my internet provider or water supply company...
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ntSean 5y ago

Your experiment speaks to how we interpret transgressions, and for that, it is true- taxes are seen as robbery. Does your nephew now own the sand he used to build that castle? I would hope not, as I think we’d agree, many kids would suffer! And likewise, many people believe so strongly in their ownership of money, that they don’t mind if others suffer.

germandiago 5y ago
> taxes are seen as robbery Taxes are robbery. If you did the same to your neighbor under threat, you would end up in jail. If a mafia does that, they go to jail. If the government does it, they do not. And they did not ask you to adhere to a contract. It works with reversed logic from what we do in real life with others. There is no single logical justification to say it is not robbery. That is independent of whether what they do with that money is good or bad. A different discussion. > And likewise, many people believe so strongly in their ownership of money. Which represents just that you offered something worth that money to others, in the absense of threat or violence. So yes, now it belongs to them because of an exchange. > that they don’t mind if others suffer. Or even worse, some people subtract that money from us by providing no value, unlike the average of humans who at least sells something or provides a service and pretends that the people providing services or products are worse than the person subtracting in exchange of nothing under the threat of prison. Also, it seems that to you the person being subtracted the money they earned and spent time to get it(could be money or anything else, I am talking about effort) do not suffer. I guess they do not have a soul or feelings or do not deserve the same respect as the others.
- ntSean 5y ago
  > There is no single logical justification to say it is not robbery It is the cost to you living in society; a society which provides infrastructure such as roads, education, sanitation, and food. A society which provides customers and a marketplace to trade in. The roller coaster of watching you add and edit this comment was truly an experience. Have a great day.
  - germandiago 5y ago
    This would be true if they came and tell me which services I am willing to pay and use. That is not what they do. What they do is to pack all things together, to extract money from there for them also, to make systems with way too many people to manage stuff that can be managed more efficiently and to pass you the bill without asking. Of course that is robbery. Imagine they force you to eat in a certain restarant and you must eat there, because they decided so without asking. Now let us say the food should be 15 dollars and they charge you 45, without asking. This is what they do. It is totally, totally unfair. Later they will come and tell you: hey, you can eat thanks to me! You owe me respect. When in fact, I could have gone find my own way and eat for 15. It is absurd. And robbery, of course. Noone asked me. That is illegal if you do it to someone. It is as if a telco came and charge you a bill of 50 usd and you get mad and go and say: hey, I did not hire your services. And they reply: the contract is implicit. They would be in trouble.
- thrashh 5y ago
  Somewhere can’t be robbery if you continue to permit it everyday… if you actually believed your words, you’d move to the middle of nowhere with no Internet and electricity or roads. And it’s not robbery if you’re getting something from it everyday, which you clearly are because you’re posting on the Internet and drinking clean water.
  - b3nji 5y ago
    I'm not sure what country you are from, but my taxes to the government certainly don't pay my internet provider or water supply company...

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