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I think we are attacking the wrong angle here. This should be solved at google

by siva7 5y ago

alangibson 5y ago
Are you sure it hasn't been (from their point of view)? I've got that old familiar feeling that there has been a change internally about what now constitutes a "quality" search result. Google has been moving toward optimizing for engagement over what we normally thing of as relevance for a while.
rc_mob 5y ago
Google is a lost cause by now. The only solution is a competitor. DDG is just as bad since they source results from google so that is not the solution.
- nyolfen 5y ago
  ddg sources from bing
- tjpnz 5y ago
  DDG don't source any results from Google. They rely on Bing and increasingly their own bot.
  - new_guy 5y ago
    > and increasingly their own bot Except they so obviously don't. They lie through their teeth and their good at marketing, that's it. They've zero technical ability.
  - Kiro 5y ago
    Their own bot is only used to crawl stuff for their widgets.
marginalia_nu 5y ago
Google has precious little incentive to filter out ad-ridden spam content, given that their entire business model is the very ads these sites are plastered in. In short, if you find what you are looking for, they get few ad impressions and make less money. Meanwhile, if you have to click through half a dozen spam results first, there are many ad impressions, and they make more money.
KoftaBob 5y ago
I imagine that Google's incentive is to first prioritize results that have the most profitable Google Ads on their page, and then for quality of result, not the other way around. Until that incentive structure changes, Google will not be interested in solving this.
gorbachev 5y ago
How long are you willing to wait?
lkbm 5y ago
I coincidentally tweeted a reply[0] to your comment a couple minutes before seeing it: > If I end up having to solve a problem that's someone else's fault, yeah, sure, it's unfair. > But if I end up having to live with a problem because you insist that we wait for the responsible party to fix it, knowing that they never will, that's more unfair. [0] https://twitter.com/lkbm/status/1478425875578302464 https://twitter.com/lkbm/status/1478425875578302464

I think we are attacking the wrong angle here. This should be solved at google

by siva7 5y ago

I think we are attacking the wrong angle here. This should be solved at google

Are you sure it hasn't been (from their point of view)? I've got that old familiar feeling that there has been a change internally about what now constitutes a "quality" search result. Google has been moving toward optimizing for engagement over what we normally thing of as relevance for a while.

rc_mob 5y ago

Google is a lost cause by now. The only solution is a competitor. DDG is just as bad since they source results from google so that is not the solution.

nyolfen 5y ago
ddg sources from bing
tjpnz 5y ago
DDG don't source any results from Google. They rely on Bing and increasingly their own bot.
- new_guy 5y ago
  > and increasingly their own bot Except they so obviously don't. They lie through their teeth and their good at marketing, that's it. They've zero technical ability.
- Kiro 5y ago
  Their own bot is only used to crawl stuff for their widgets.

marginalia_nu 5y ago

Google has precious little incentive to filter out ad-ridden spam content, given that their entire business model is the very ads these sites are plastered in. In short, if you find what you are looking for, they get few ad impressions and make less money. Meanwhile, if you have to click through half a dozen spam results first, there are many ad impressions, and they make more money.

KoftaBob 5y ago

I imagine that Google's incentive is to first prioritize results that have the most profitable Google Ads on their page, and then for quality of result, not the other way around. Until that incentive structure changes, Google will not be interested in solving this.

gorbachev 5y ago

How long are you willing to wait?

lkbm 5y ago

I coincidentally tweeted a reply[0] to your comment a couple minutes before seeing it: > If I end up having to solve a problem that's someone else's fault, yeah, sure, it's unfair. > But if I end up having to live with a problem because you insist that we wait for the responsible party to fix it, knowing that they never will, that's more unfair. [0] https://twitter.com/lkbm/status/1478425875578302464 https://twitter.com/lkbm/status/1478425875578302464