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I am not sure SK TV taking over the world signals much: SK TV are essentially Hollywood TV casted with SK people. If you watch Squid Game, and you think that S

I am not sure SK TV taking over the world signals much: SK TV are essentially Hollywood TV casted with SK people. If you watch Squid Game, and you think that SK people would think and behave like what the TV shows, then you would be wrong. This essentially is hollywood transfers its manufacturing capacity to SK, just like American industry transfers its manufacturing capacity to China. It's not SK tv took over the world. It's SK tv production get integrated into Hollywood entertainment market.

nrp 5y ago
I don’t think that is a fair characterization of k-drama. If anything, the closer analogy would be what the Japanese automotive industry did in the 80’s. They took a massive, bloated, stagnant industry, reinvented and perfected it, and then exported back to America.
thweryo234 5y ago
Hardly surprising. The world is turning American, in culture, in religion, and worldviews, despite supposed political rivalry and "traditional heritage". There is no Japan, no China, no India, no Europe. We have US with varying flavors around the world in essence - atleast if not for the plebs, certainly in the elites (who tend to be self-replicating).
- herbst 5y ago
  I am glad this is still kinda wrong and afraid that there is more truth to it than I can see. However in central Europe the US influence to TV and culture did only get less in the recent, troublesome, years. At least from my POV
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- kvgr 5y ago
  If you ever tried to watch central europe tv, for example Czech and Slovak TV shows, then you would understand why people prefer American production. It is pure trash. With exception of couple Czech movies.
  - simion314 5y ago
    Is this because of budget? Or because of writing or the themes are not commercial enough? How many really good movies or show were created in 2021 and how many average ones, how many of those good movies or shows are based on some book/novel/script by an non american writer? US might just have the money to push a giant steam of productions and eventually you get a few good stuff in a giant pile of garbage or mediocrity.
    - thow-58d4e8b 5y ago
      In a small nation with limited cultural outreach, the only way to make a return on the investment is to target the largest demographic group - 50-70 year olds, high-school educated - with low-brow, casual, anodyne content. Trying to fill any other niche is a commercial suicide. If you're not a part of that demographic group - tough luck, there's nothing on the domestic market for you. To make matters worse, the talent pool is really shallow, leading to the same clique of ~20 actors in literally every single film or TV show
  - anticodon 5y ago
    Well, to me American movie industry is dead. I can't name any good movie after 2010. It's extremely primitive now: no dialogs, just violence, giant explosions, and/or "diversity" that usually is extremely weird because it is unnatural and feels too forced. E.g. I went to see the last Bond movie and slept the good portion of it. I never actually liked Bond movies, they're too shallow, but the last one was both shallow and dull. I didn't spend my money to see the remake of Matrix - first comments from friends acknowledged what I suspected: it is a half-baked attempt to squeeze more money from the famous name without trying to make it interesting: why bother, when most of the audience will pay for the ticket anyway just because of the name. European movies are bad only when they try to emulate Hollywood. Copying something that is already rotten, seldom results in good product. But sometimes there're pretty good European movies, when they don't try to copycat Hollywood.
- ccity88 5y ago
  This is incredibly sad to be honest. I love the interconnectivity of the modern web, and social media allows us to share our thoughts freely and communicate ideas at a scale never before seen in human history, but the consequence of this is the limitation on culture. It used to be the case that cultures developed in a silo'd fashion, and this gave way for some very advanced and different ways to doing things. When our ancestors visited a new location they would find new people with a completely different view of the world. Now everyone thinks the same, acts the same, the culture is the same. We've opened the box on shared thinking and the result is that we'll never have an era of silent cultivation on ideas - the mind virus is live.
  - Nasrudith 5y ago
    That isn't quite accurate. Actual siloed cultures are downright stagnant. Advancements come from trade and cross connections. The closest thing you would see are parallel evolutions, which are often more geographically linked. Silent cultivation of ideas is also an oxymoronic notion - ideas grow from interactions. Likewise their view of the world never was completely different nor those from within the same culture completely the same.
    - ccity88 5y ago
      You're right of course - the Romans took from the Greeks, the Greeks took from the Egyptians, etc etc. Ideas adapt over time and cross cultures. Still, I can't help but have a romantic view of cultures, perhaps because up until this point it has taken centuries for ideas to develop and catch on, as our mediums weren't as efficient as what we have now. Prior to the printing press, it was hand art, and spoken word prevailed to tell stories and divulge ideas. Nowadays a single YouTube video has a thousand times more the impact. This is what we lose when we have mass medium like the modern era of the internet. I know it's naive thinking
    - mensetmanusman 5y ago
      Cross connections may matter less if the actual cultural differences tendd towards a monoculture… will be interesting to see how it plays out over the next millennia, but we won’t be here to know:)
- wombatmobile 5y ago
  Same with TV and film in Thailand.
- rakejake 5y ago
  +1 In India, at least some of the blame lies with the film industry. Having had a monopoly for so long, they were lax in saving prints of their movies and making them available on DVD (now streaming platforms). There is no Indian equivalent of the Criterion collection and this is really killing them. The internet and a lot of Gen-Z Indian kids have picked up all the "bollywoodrealism" material (which is easily memable) and ignore the treasure trove of films that India has produced.
lifthrasiir 5y ago
> SK TV are essentially Hollywood TV casted with SK people. I'm not even sure what you want to claim, Hollywood has been long associated with the film industry and not the television industry. Assuming you are referring to the general USA television: I don't feel so, especially being a South Korean and aware of SK television for decades [1]. For an easy example, the 2021 South Korean TV drama with the highest rating (17.37%) was Mr. Queen (철인왕후) from tvN, a drama cable TV channel, and it is a (Korean) medieval-themed fantasy drama based on a PRC drama Go Princess Go (太子妃升职记). Such dramas and films have been popular in SK and I'm not sure there is an equivalent in the States. [1] I should clarify that television has been in decline like everywhere else and most audiences have switched to YouTube and OTT services by now. Assuming you are referring to the Hollywood film industry: of course the influence exists, but the SK film industry directly competes with the Hollywood in the domestic market and if your claim is true the domestic industry would have had hard time, but it doesn't seem so at least for now. In fact this seems to be the real reason behind the current K-whatever trend; it has survived the Hollywood and is not well known until now so it is a fresh alternative to the Hollywood and other well-known film industries. > If you watch Squid Game, and you think that SK people would think and behave like what the TV shows, then you would be wrong. This applies to virtually every media.
cco 5y ago
> SK TV are essentially Hollywood TV casted with SK people. If you watch Squid Game, and you think that SK people would think and behave like what the TV shows, then you would be wrong. Can you clarify your thought here? American people don't think and behave like they do in Hollywood TV shows. There are exceptions of course, but most pop TV shows do not attempt to accurately portray real human relationships, emotions, actions etc. Do you mean to say that there is something particularly American about Squid Game? When I, an American, watched it my biggest thought was that it seemed very much like an anime. Especially some of the early scenes like the chase by the loan sharks or the paper game played in the subway. It felt distinctly not like normal American television in that regard, though of course you can't create TV in 2020 without having some influence by Hollywood.
- hi_im_miles 5y ago
  > Can you clarify your thought here? American people don't think and behave like they do in Hollywood TV shows. There are exceptions of course, but most pop TV shows do not attempt to accurately portray real human relationships, emotions, actions etc. To add onto this, it's also worth noting that many movies/shows/etc are actively trying to challenge a dominant culture or way of thinking.
hi_im_miles 5y ago
> This essentially is hollywood transfers its manufacturing capacity to SK, just like American industry transfers its manufacturing capacity to China. I think this perspective is one of my many lenses you can apply to this. Another perspective is that Americans and Koreans share a longstanding history in both war and culture, and for many decades now everyday working people between the US and SK have been collaborating and bonding together. Like yeah you can say that recent collaborations between Hollywood and SK is just Capitalists Doing Capitalism, but even with the corporate restraints and conflicts-of-interest we all know too well, these works are still the product of real people working together and expressing themselves.

nrp 5y ago

I don’t think that is a fair characterization of k-drama. If anything, the closer analogy would be what the Japanese automotive industry did in the 80’s. They took a massive, bloated, stagnant industry, reinvented and perfected it, and then exported back to America.

thweryo234 5y ago

Hardly surprising. The world is turning American, in culture, in religion, and worldviews, despite supposed political rivalry and "traditional heritage". There is no Japan, no China, no India, no Europe. We have US with varying flavors around the world in essence - atleast if not for the plebs, certainly in the elites (who tend to be self-replicating).

herbst 5y ago
I am glad this is still kinda wrong and afraid that there is more truth to it than I can see. However in central Europe the US influence to TV and culture did only get less in the recent, troublesome, years. At least from my POV
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kvgr 5y ago
If you ever tried to watch central europe tv, for example Czech and Slovak TV shows, then you would understand why people prefer American production. It is pure trash. With exception of couple Czech movies.
- simion314 5y ago
  Is this because of budget? Or because of writing or the themes are not commercial enough? How many really good movies or show were created in 2021 and how many average ones, how many of those good movies or shows are based on some book/novel/script by an non american writer? US might just have the money to push a giant steam of productions and eventually you get a few good stuff in a giant pile of garbage or mediocrity.
  - thow-58d4e8b 5y ago
    In a small nation with limited cultural outreach, the only way to make a return on the investment is to target the largest demographic group - 50-70 year olds, high-school educated - with low-brow, casual, anodyne content. Trying to fill any other niche is a commercial suicide. If you're not a part of that demographic group - tough luck, there's nothing on the domestic market for you. To make matters worse, the talent pool is really shallow, leading to the same clique of ~20 actors in literally every single film or TV show
- anticodon 5y ago
  Well, to me American movie industry is dead. I can't name any good movie after 2010. It's extremely primitive now: no dialogs, just violence, giant explosions, and/or "diversity" that usually is extremely weird because it is unnatural and feels too forced. E.g. I went to see the last Bond movie and slept the good portion of it. I never actually liked Bond movies, they're too shallow, but the last one was both shallow and dull. I didn't spend my money to see the remake of Matrix - first comments from friends acknowledged what I suspected: it is a half-baked attempt to squeeze more money from the famous name without trying to make it interesting: why bother, when most of the audience will pay for the ticket anyway just because of the name. European movies are bad only when they try to emulate Hollywood. Copying something that is already rotten, seldom results in good product. But sometimes there're pretty good European movies, when they don't try to copycat Hollywood.
ccity88 5y ago
This is incredibly sad to be honest. I love the interconnectivity of the modern web, and social media allows us to share our thoughts freely and communicate ideas at a scale never before seen in human history, but the consequence of this is the limitation on culture. It used to be the case that cultures developed in a silo'd fashion, and this gave way for some very advanced and different ways to doing things. When our ancestors visited a new location they would find new people with a completely different view of the world. Now everyone thinks the same, acts the same, the culture is the same. We've opened the box on shared thinking and the result is that we'll never have an era of silent cultivation on ideas - the mind virus is live.
- Nasrudith 5y ago
  That isn't quite accurate. Actual siloed cultures are downright stagnant. Advancements come from trade and cross connections. The closest thing you would see are parallel evolutions, which are often more geographically linked. Silent cultivation of ideas is also an oxymoronic notion - ideas grow from interactions. Likewise their view of the world never was completely different nor those from within the same culture completely the same.
  - ccity88 5y ago
    You're right of course - the Romans took from the Greeks, the Greeks took from the Egyptians, etc etc. Ideas adapt over time and cross cultures. Still, I can't help but have a romantic view of cultures, perhaps because up until this point it has taken centuries for ideas to develop and catch on, as our mediums weren't as efficient as what we have now. Prior to the printing press, it was hand art, and spoken word prevailed to tell stories and divulge ideas. Nowadays a single YouTube video has a thousand times more the impact. This is what we lose when we have mass medium like the modern era of the internet. I know it's naive thinking
  - mensetmanusman 5y ago
    Cross connections may matter less if the actual cultural differences tendd towards a monoculture… will be interesting to see how it plays out over the next millennia, but we won’t be here to know:)
wombatmobile 5y ago
Same with TV and film in Thailand.
rakejake 5y ago
+1 In India, at least some of the blame lies with the film industry. Having had a monopoly for so long, they were lax in saving prints of their movies and making them available on DVD (now streaming platforms). There is no Indian equivalent of the Criterion collection and this is really killing them. The internet and a lot of Gen-Z Indian kids have picked up all the "bollywoodrealism" material (which is easily memable) and ignore the treasure trove of films that India has produced.

lifthrasiir 5y ago

> SK TV are essentially Hollywood TV casted with SK people. I'm not even sure what you want to claim, Hollywood has been long associated with the film industry and not the television industry. Assuming you are referring to the general USA television: I don't feel so, especially being a South Korean and aware of SK television for decades [1]. For an easy example, the 2021 South Korean TV drama with the highest rating (17.37%) was Mr. Queen (철인왕후) from tvN, a drama cable TV channel, and it is a (Korean) medieval-themed fantasy drama based on a PRC drama Go Princess Go (太子妃升职记). Such dramas and films have been popular in SK and I'm not sure there is an equivalent in the States. [1] I should clarify that television has been in decline like everywhere else and most audiences have switched to YouTube and OTT services by now. Assuming you are referring to the Hollywood film industry: of course the influence exists, but the SK film industry directly competes with the Hollywood in the domestic market and if your claim is true the domestic industry would have had hard time, but it doesn't seem so at least for now. In fact this seems to be the real reason behind the current K-whatever trend; it has survived the Hollywood and is not well known until now so it is a fresh alternative to the Hollywood and other well-known film industries. > If you watch Squid Game, and you think that SK people would think and behave like what the TV shows, then you would be wrong. This applies to virtually every media.

cco 5y ago

> SK TV are essentially Hollywood TV casted with SK people. If you watch Squid Game, and you think that SK people would think and behave like what the TV shows, then you would be wrong. Can you clarify your thought here? American people don't think and behave like they do in Hollywood TV shows. There are exceptions of course, but most pop TV shows do not attempt to accurately portray real human relationships, emotions, actions etc. Do you mean to say that there is something particularly American about Squid Game? When I, an American, watched it my biggest thought was that it seemed very much like an anime. Especially some of the early scenes like the chase by the loan sharks or the paper game played in the subway. It felt distinctly not like normal American television in that regard, though of course you can't create TV in 2020 without having some influence by Hollywood.

hi_im_miles 5y ago
> Can you clarify your thought here? American people don't think and behave like they do in Hollywood TV shows. There are exceptions of course, but most pop TV shows do not attempt to accurately portray real human relationships, emotions, actions etc. To add onto this, it's also worth noting that many movies/shows/etc are actively trying to challenge a dominant culture or way of thinking.

hi_im_miles 5y ago

> This essentially is hollywood transfers its manufacturing capacity to SK, just like American industry transfers its manufacturing capacity to China. I think this perspective is one of my many lenses you can apply to this. Another perspective is that Americans and Koreans share a longstanding history in both war and culture, and for many decades now everyday working people between the US and SK have been collaborating and bonding together. Like yeah you can say that recent collaborations between Hollywood and SK is just Capitalists Doing Capitalism, but even with the corporate restraints and conflicts-of-interest we all know too well, these works are still the product of real people working together and expressing themselves.