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Combine this with the correlation between rent and population density, and the rise of remote work, socializing and entertainment, and this creates an outward,

Combine this with the correlation between rent and population density, and the rise of remote work, socializing and entertainment, and this creates an outward, de-clustering pressure on population. It increases demand for suburban and rural property. That comes with the ecological cost of increased human competition for animal habitats. Best case, it also creates effective pressure for extra terrestrial colonization, pluralizing our egg baskets. NIMBY could fuel human exploitation of the solar system.

SQueeeeeL 5y ago
>Best case, it also creates effective pressure for extra terrestrial colonization, pluralizing our egg baskets. NIMBY could fuel human exploitation of the solar system. I feel like this glamorizes the issue and makes the fundamental fact that we aren't respecting the humanity of those around us RIGHT NOW seem like it's all part of a grand "plan". Versus the more obvious fact that the society we currently have created is suboptimal and must be corrected
- api 5y ago
  > NIMBY could fuel human exploitation of the solar system. Then it just becomes NIMB: Not In My Biosphere.
- hirundo 5y ago
  Correcting whatever is suboptimal needs to be done in the context of the larger forces. E.g., if you're being carried away from shore by a rip tide it's useful to have enough theory to understand that you should swim parallel to the shore rather than straight in. In the same sense, to address homelessness effectively we need to be aware of the larger economic incentives. Rent control is a notorious example.
  - mullingitover 5y ago
    I'm not convinced that rent control is really a factor in either direction. Los Angeles and San Francisco have had rent control for a very long time, and they have sky-high homeless popuations. Oregon banned rent control in the state constitution, and Portland has a huge homeless population. The common thread in all these cities is a war on developers, and it certainly looks like a large homeless population is what you get for winning that war.
AnimalMuppet 5y ago
I'd combine them slightly differently: As cities get bigger, lower incomes get forced either out of the city or into more and more precarious living situations. But I wonder to what degree this is a US phenomenon. Take Tokyo, for instance. It has an amazing array of commuter rail lines linking it to the surrounding area. And it sits in a country where the population is not rising. So, to what extent does this dynamic apply to Tokyo? And if it doesn't apply to Tokyo, could we fix it in the US by 1) adding huge amounts of commuter rail, and 2) stopping population growth?

SQueeeeeL 5y ago

>Best case, it also creates effective pressure for extra terrestrial colonization, pluralizing our egg baskets. NIMBY could fuel human exploitation of the solar system. I feel like this glamorizes the issue and makes the fundamental fact that we aren't respecting the humanity of those around us RIGHT NOW seem like it's all part of a grand "plan". Versus the more obvious fact that the society we currently have created is suboptimal and must be corrected

api 5y ago
> NIMBY could fuel human exploitation of the solar system. Then it just becomes NIMB: Not In My Biosphere.
hirundo 5y ago
Correcting whatever is suboptimal needs to be done in the context of the larger forces. E.g., if you're being carried away from shore by a rip tide it's useful to have enough theory to understand that you should swim parallel to the shore rather than straight in. In the same sense, to address homelessness effectively we need to be aware of the larger economic incentives. Rent control is a notorious example.
- mullingitover 5y ago
  I'm not convinced that rent control is really a factor in either direction. Los Angeles and San Francisco have had rent control for a very long time, and they have sky-high homeless popuations. Oregon banned rent control in the state constitution, and Portland has a huge homeless population. The common thread in all these cities is a war on developers, and it certainly looks like a large homeless population is what you get for winning that war.

AnimalMuppet 5y ago

I'd combine them slightly differently: As cities get bigger, lower incomes get forced either out of the city or into more and more precarious living situations. But I wonder to what degree this is a US phenomenon. Take Tokyo, for instance. It has an amazing array of commuter rail lines linking it to the surrounding area. And it sits in a country where the population is not rising. So, to what extent does this dynamic apply to Tokyo? And if it doesn't apply to Tokyo, could we fix it in the US by 1) adding huge amounts of commuter rail, and 2) stopping population growth?