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Not from the US and the idea of the US getting into a civil war seems a bit out of place to be honest.

usrbinbash 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Capitol_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Capitol_att...
- zwkrt 5y ago
  Yeah, but who would be fighting who? How would warfare break out? A bunch of right-republicans taking over buildings and then being demolished by the largest and strongest military force in the world? A coup in the military to fight unarmed liberals? Race war? It could all happen but it is a little far fetched. If the US is involved in the battle, then who would arm the insurrection!? /s
  - noobermin 5y ago
    Half of that military is sympathetic to those right wingers, you'd be surprised. Wars usually have well defined lines but civil wars don't need such clear distinctions.
    - trembonator 5y ago
      Is that why the unvaccinated were purged from the armed services including the Marines? Surely the top military generals don’t need to forewarn a suspects coup in 2024 to solidify their own power in the process.
- newacc9 5y ago
  They had signs, not weapons.
aww_dang 5y ago
It does seem a bit alarmist, but here we are. The theme is being previewed throughout the mainstream media. Why should individuals be compelled to stay in a dysfunctional relationship? If the political opposition is as intolerable or deplorable as some say, wouldn't it be better to part ways peacefully?
- nexuist 5y ago
  The secret is that it is not actually that intolerable or deplorable. This is likely what some people find infuriating; that their political enemies are not the Nazis or Soviets they have been trained to hate, just stupid Americans acting stupidly for their own stupid loss. I worry that my fellow Americans are definitely getting complacent about all the good the federal government does. The fall of the US Fed would end the free world rather quickly.
- Ekaros 5y ago
  If the opposition is entirely intolerant of you, why even try? If they do not agree on the same values commonly held before what is there left?
  - aww_dang 5y ago
    It is a classic set of false alternatives. It isn't necessary for either side to dominate the other. More than that, there is obviously a wider breadth of preferences than the binary presented in the article. It is worth asking why this arguably dishonest premise is baked into the narrative.
- slowmovintarget 5y ago
  If your tinfoil runs that way, this is preparation for declaring marshal law to handle all these "right-wing extremists." You know, like parents objecting to school curricula... things like that. It's the propaganda version of grooming.
watwut 5y ago
They have armed organized groups who openly brag about being violence ready. Their popular voted for politicians talk openly about violence.
- Ekaros 5y ago
  And they really haven't cracked down on visible violent terrorist organizations. Just let them riot, burn and loot... Or even declare sedition...
- postingawayonhn 5y ago
  And the government has the most powerful military in the would. No rebellion will succeed without significant support from the military establishment.
  - ScaleneTriangle 5y ago
    It doesn't have to succeed to cause problems.
  - zouhair 5y ago
    What do you think the military is made of?
gremlinsinc 5y ago
There won't be a civil war... Now, a coup... that definitely could happen... Essentially a President could do what Trump failed to do, and end the democratic elections for Presidents. Hell, Trump basically laid out a blueprint, he's an idiot so sure he failed..but it's kinda scary how far he did go. If a President like Biden even who felt the country was falling into chaos got the military on his side for the 'sake' of America, even if he genuinely was well-intentioned... then there's not going to be a civil war because it's basically us vs the U.S. military and there's no way anyone can defeat that at this point. Our tax-dollars have made sure. It def. won't be like the Civil War, more like the People vs the Machines in Terminator... or what's going down in Myanmar and other places in the world. Personally, I think we need a full rewrite and do-over. A virtual constitutional congress to draft a 2022 version of the constitution and one that's more fair. To make it more fair, I think maybe everyone should be allowed a vote who maybe passes a competancy exam showing they know the subject material or have a base understanding of how the country works. Or we could just select lawyers who at least know constitutional law really well, some economists, scientists, educators -- maybe even elect the individuals who'll represent their 'field' at the table so there's a well-rounded discussion on everything going into.
- kafkaIncarnate 5y ago
  > Personally, I think we need a full rewrite and do-over. And how do you want to accomplish that? A coup? Any rewrite or do-over is going to require overthrowing the current government in some way. One thing I find interesting is how everyone expecting a coup is also calling for a coup themselves. That's fully why I expect the civil war to happen, not because one side is going to cause a coup, but I'm expecting two coups simultaneously. Or three or four or something. Like everyone is trying to grab at their own interpretation of the constitution minus the parts that inconvenience them. Or we could, you know, stick to the one we have during a moment of like 10 national crises and figure out the politics after the entire world stabilizes a bit rather than destabilize our own government right when China and Russia want us to so they can distract us fighting ourselves while they reach into the cookie jars of Ukraine and Taiwan setting off a chain reaction that would put us at a severe disadvantage at. Their entire playbook has been spoken out loud multiple times by them, by the people here domestically, then the people here repeating the same warnings domestically end up just forming their own version of it. It's the same thing they did in Crimea, announce they are subverting your ideology, then leave the enemy to Lord of the Flies it out fight it out to figure out who is the enemy ideologically subversive element McCarthyism style. Except here I think they don't really care what happens and would rather we just fall to anarchy (as if we aren't already there), just to keep us away from their doings abroad. I'll just finish with something I've been saying for at least 20 years, since many people have been saying "we need a constitutional convention for X" on both sides of the aisle for so long. If we have a constitutional convention (or a "full rewrite and do-over", what do you think the people you disagree with are going to add in there? This applies to anyone of any belief system. Just think about it. Do you want that? > To make it more fair, I think maybe everyone should be allowed a vote who maybe passes a competancy exam showing they know the subject material or have a base understanding of how the country works. Who is going to make these tests? That's literal voter suppression, and anti-democratic. That idea by itself is a literal threat to the concept of democracy, even if it's non-violent. People should not need to be experts in all fields just to vote. I've followed politics for decades and stuff still comes up that I don't know, and I know lawyers who have practiced for many decades who say that despite knowing everything they know and everything they've experienced, they don't feel they know enough about anything. The world is not a simple system that you can fit into any brain, let alone all brains. > Or we could just select lawyers who at least know constitutional law really well, some economists, scientists, educators -- maybe even elect the individuals who'll represent their 'field' at the table so there's a well-rounded discussion on everything going into. That's why we have the federal and state bureaucracies to inform the legislature with educated skilled professionals in their fields.
dredmorbius 5y ago
"'Low probability, high impact': 3 generals warn of a potential military coup in 2024" I see it as a low probability, high impact. I hesitate to put a number on it, but it's an eventuality that we need to prepare for. In the military, we do a lot of war-gaming to ferret out what might happen. You may have heard of the Transition Integrity Project that occurred about six months before the last election. We played four scenarios. And what we did not play is a U.S. military compromised; not to the degree that the United States is compromised today as far as 39% of the Republican party refusing to accept President Biden as president, but a compromise nonetheless. So we advocate that that particular scenario needs to be addressed in a future war-game held well in advance of 2024. https://www.npr.org/2021/12/29/1068895489/low-probability-high-impact-3-generals-warn-of-a-potential-military-coup-in-2024 https://www.npr.org/2021/12/29/1068895489/low-probability-hi...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Capitol_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Capitol_att...

zwkrt 5y ago
Yeah, but who would be fighting who? How would warfare break out? A bunch of right-republicans taking over buildings and then being demolished by the largest and strongest military force in the world? A coup in the military to fight unarmed liberals? Race war? It could all happen but it is a little far fetched. If the US is involved in the battle, then who would arm the insurrection!? /s
- noobermin 5y ago
  Half of that military is sympathetic to those right wingers, you'd be surprised. Wars usually have well defined lines but civil wars don't need such clear distinctions.
  - trembonator 5y ago
    Is that why the unvaccinated were purged from the armed services including the Marines? Surely the top military generals don’t need to forewarn a suspects coup in 2024 to solidify their own power in the process.
newacc9 5y ago
They had signs, not weapons.

aww_dang 5y ago

It does seem a bit alarmist, but here we are. The theme is being previewed throughout the mainstream media. Why should individuals be compelled to stay in a dysfunctional relationship? If the political opposition is as intolerable or deplorable as some say, wouldn't it be better to part ways peacefully?

nexuist 5y ago
The secret is that it is not actually that intolerable or deplorable. This is likely what some people find infuriating; that their political enemies are not the Nazis or Soviets they have been trained to hate, just stupid Americans acting stupidly for their own stupid loss. I worry that my fellow Americans are definitely getting complacent about all the good the federal government does. The fall of the US Fed would end the free world rather quickly.
Ekaros 5y ago
If the opposition is entirely intolerant of you, why even try? If they do not agree on the same values commonly held before what is there left?
- aww_dang 5y ago
  It is a classic set of false alternatives. It isn't necessary for either side to dominate the other. More than that, there is obviously a wider breadth of preferences than the binary presented in the article. It is worth asking why this arguably dishonest premise is baked into the narrative.
slowmovintarget 5y ago
If your tinfoil runs that way, this is preparation for declaring marshal law to handle all these "right-wing extremists." You know, like parents objecting to school curricula... things like that. It's the propaganda version of grooming.

watwut 5y ago

They have armed organized groups who openly brag about being violence ready. Their popular voted for politicians talk openly about violence.

Ekaros 5y ago
And they really haven't cracked down on visible violent terrorist organizations. Just let them riot, burn and loot... Or even declare sedition...
postingawayonhn 5y ago
And the government has the most powerful military in the would. No rebellion will succeed without significant support from the military establishment.
- ScaleneTriangle 5y ago
  It doesn't have to succeed to cause problems.
- zouhair 5y ago
  What do you think the military is made of?

gremlinsinc 5y ago

There won't be a civil war... Now, a coup... that definitely could happen... Essentially a President could do what Trump failed to do, and end the democratic elections for Presidents. Hell, Trump basically laid out a blueprint, he's an idiot so sure he failed..but it's kinda scary how far he did go. If a President like Biden even who felt the country was falling into chaos got the military on his side for the 'sake' of America, even if he genuinely was well-intentioned... then there's not going to be a civil war because it's basically us vs the U.S. military and there's no way anyone can defeat that at this point. Our tax-dollars have made sure. It def. won't be like the Civil War, more like the People vs the Machines in Terminator... or what's going down in Myanmar and other places in the world. Personally, I think we need a full rewrite and do-over. A virtual constitutional congress to draft a 2022 version of the constitution and one that's more fair. To make it more fair, I think maybe everyone should be allowed a vote who maybe passes a competancy exam showing they know the subject material or have a base understanding of how the country works. Or we could just select lawyers who at least know constitutional law really well, some economists, scientists, educators -- maybe even elect the individuals who'll represent their 'field' at the table so there's a well-rounded discussion on everything going into.

kafkaIncarnate 5y ago
> Personally, I think we need a full rewrite and do-over. And how do you want to accomplish that? A coup? Any rewrite or do-over is going to require overthrowing the current government in some way. One thing I find interesting is how everyone expecting a coup is also calling for a coup themselves. That's fully why I expect the civil war to happen, not because one side is going to cause a coup, but I'm expecting two coups simultaneously. Or three or four or something. Like everyone is trying to grab at their own interpretation of the constitution minus the parts that inconvenience them. Or we could, you know, stick to the one we have during a moment of like 10 national crises and figure out the politics after the entire world stabilizes a bit rather than destabilize our own government right when China and Russia want us to so they can distract us fighting ourselves while they reach into the cookie jars of Ukraine and Taiwan setting off a chain reaction that would put us at a severe disadvantage at. Their entire playbook has been spoken out loud multiple times by them, by the people here domestically, then the people here repeating the same warnings domestically end up just forming their own version of it. It's the same thing they did in Crimea, announce they are subverting your ideology, then leave the enemy to Lord of the Flies it out fight it out to figure out who is the enemy ideologically subversive element McCarthyism style. Except here I think they don't really care what happens and would rather we just fall to anarchy (as if we aren't already there), just to keep us away from their doings abroad. I'll just finish with something I've been saying for at least 20 years, since many people have been saying "we need a constitutional convention for X" on both sides of the aisle for so long. If we have a constitutional convention (or a "full rewrite and do-over", what do you think the people you disagree with are going to add in there? This applies to anyone of any belief system. Just think about it. Do you want that? > To make it more fair, I think maybe everyone should be allowed a vote who maybe passes a competancy exam showing they know the subject material or have a base understanding of how the country works. Who is going to make these tests? That's literal voter suppression, and anti-democratic. That idea by itself is a literal threat to the concept of democracy, even if it's non-violent. People should not need to be experts in all fields just to vote. I've followed politics for decades and stuff still comes up that I don't know, and I know lawyers who have practiced for many decades who say that despite knowing everything they know and everything they've experienced, they don't feel they know enough about anything. The world is not a simple system that you can fit into any brain, let alone all brains. > Or we could just select lawyers who at least know constitutional law really well, some economists, scientists, educators -- maybe even elect the individuals who'll represent their 'field' at the table so there's a well-rounded discussion on everything going into. That's why we have the federal and state bureaucracies to inform the legislature with educated skilled professionals in their fields.

dredmorbius 5y ago

"'Low probability, high impact': 3 generals warn of a potential military coup in 2024" I see it as a low probability, high impact. I hesitate to put a number on it, but it's an eventuality that we need to prepare for. In the military, we do a lot of war-gaming to ferret out what might happen. You may have heard of the Transition Integrity Project that occurred about six months before the last election. We played four scenarios. And what we did not play is a U.S. military compromised; not to the degree that the United States is compromised today as far as 39% of the Republican party refusing to accept President Biden as president, but a compromise nonetheless. So we advocate that that particular scenario needs to be addressed in a future war-game held well in advance of 2024. https://www.npr.org/2021/12/29/1068895489/low-probability-high-impact-3-generals-warn-of-a-potential-military-coup-in-2024 https://www.npr.org/2021/12/29/1068895489/low-probability-hi...