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You are inadvertently proving my point. Politicization is the problem. Sure Trump should have mandated actual national lockdown like we had in Thailand, however

by jpgvm 5y ago

You are inadvertently proving my point. Politicization is the problem. Sure Trump should have mandated actual national lockdown like we had in Thailand, however you are also right that the other side of the political machine took positions directly opposed to Trump almost for the sake of it. That is exactly what politicization is and that is exactly what I am saying is more dangerous than the pandemic itself.

robomartin 5y ago
> Trump should have mandated actual national lockdown In the US the president and federal government do not have the authority to do as you suggest. That's part of the problem. When the other side chooses to wage war against him, despite the fact that we were at the doorstep of a disaster, well, the rest is history. Please note that I did not disagree with you about the negative effects of playing politics with a pandemic. You are absolutely correct. What I wanted to note is that the Trump administration did take seriously bold measures very early on. The only reason the entire nation didn't take this seriously is because media is overwhelmingly dominated by Democrats in the US and they were so blinded by wanting to destroy Trump that they actually caused death through COVID across the nation. Nobody likes to talk about this because people just can't escape their ideological bias and look at reality in an objective fashion. As the pandemic started nearly our entire media machinery as well as the Democratic party were in full-out, take-no-prisoners war against Trump at every level. When the pandemic starts, that train had so much inertia that it was literally impossible for media giants like CNN and MSNBC to halt their war and do a 180. They were making money with the hate Trump narrative. Imagine turning around to say he was right and that we all had to support him. Impossible. And so, people died. I hope history looks at this objectively because there's an important lesson here that we must learn and there's a real risk of not learning it. Most historians are Democrats and it is probably fair to say most of them are part of the Trump hatred machinery. And so, nobody will be held accountable for what pain and loss they caused, not only in this nation but likely elsewhere. Every time I heard Trump speak on TV I wanted to vomit. The guy had the social skills of a brick. However, I think it is fair to say that nearly every single program he initiated and measure he took was right on point, including how the pandemic was handled. The entire world owes the very vaccines we are using to save countless lives to the effort his administration organized and ran to develop multiple vaccines faster than ever in history. The current president and vice president were actively maligning the vaccines and promoting all kinds of doubt upon them until they got elected. And then, all of a sudden, they wanted everyone to get vaccinated. The game they and their party played was nothing less than disgusting, if not criminal. It wasn't until a few weeks ago that Biden actually publicly recognized that the Trump administration got us the vaccines in record time. Unbelievable.
- xorcist 5y ago
  > The entire world owes the very vaccines we are using to save countless lives to the effort his administration organized While I would never denigrate scientific fundting, there's stretching the truth and there's propaganda. We do not "owe" the development of vaccines from the US funding program. And while the ModeRNA and AstraZeneca vaccine took US funding, BioNTech did not. As vaccines for "the world" goes, a lot of it was Sinovac and Sputnik.
  - nradov 5y ago
    The US federal government provided funding for the Pfizer / BioNTech vaccine. https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_565aa63a-4c46-4eea-9586-093253d1bdf3 https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_565aa63a-4...
chithanh 5y ago
> Trump should have mandated actual national lockdown As the other commenter pointed out, the executive branch of government lacks authority to do so. Courts have decided over and over again (like with the eviction moratorium, worker vaccine mandate, etc.) that Congress needs to authorize this. So it is very much a failure of Congress to act. And since no action was taken, neither before nor after changing majorities in Congress, all parties failed.

by jpgvm 5y ago

robomartin 5y ago

> Trump should have mandated actual national lockdown In the US the president and federal government do not have the authority to do as you suggest. That's part of the problem. When the other side chooses to wage war against him, despite the fact that we were at the doorstep of a disaster, well, the rest is history. Please note that I did not disagree with you about the negative effects of playing politics with a pandemic. You are absolutely correct. What I wanted to note is that the Trump administration did take seriously bold measures very early on. The only reason the entire nation didn't take this seriously is because media is overwhelmingly dominated by Democrats in the US and they were so blinded by wanting to destroy Trump that they actually caused death through COVID across the nation. Nobody likes to talk about this because people just can't escape their ideological bias and look at reality in an objective fashion. As the pandemic started nearly our entire media machinery as well as the Democratic party were in full-out, take-no-prisoners war against Trump at every level. When the pandemic starts, that train had so much inertia that it was literally impossible for media giants like CNN and MSNBC to halt their war and do a 180. They were making money with the hate Trump narrative. Imagine turning around to say he was right and that we all had to support him. Impossible. And so, people died. I hope history looks at this objectively because there's an important lesson here that we must learn and there's a real risk of not learning it. Most historians are Democrats and it is probably fair to say most of them are part of the Trump hatred machinery. And so, nobody will be held accountable for what pain and loss they caused, not only in this nation but likely elsewhere. Every time I heard Trump speak on TV I wanted to vomit. The guy had the social skills of a brick. However, I think it is fair to say that nearly every single program he initiated and measure he took was right on point, including how the pandemic was handled. The entire world owes the very vaccines we are using to save countless lives to the effort his administration organized and ran to develop multiple vaccines faster than ever in history. The current president and vice president were actively maligning the vaccines and promoting all kinds of doubt upon them until they got elected. And then, all of a sudden, they wanted everyone to get vaccinated. The game they and their party played was nothing less than disgusting, if not criminal. It wasn't until a few weeks ago that Biden actually publicly recognized that the Trump administration got us the vaccines in record time. Unbelievable.

xorcist 5y ago
> The entire world owes the very vaccines we are using to save countless lives to the effort his administration organized While I would never denigrate scientific fundting, there's stretching the truth and there's propaganda. We do not "owe" the development of vaccines from the US funding program. And while the ModeRNA and AstraZeneca vaccine took US funding, BioNTech did not. As vaccines for "the world" goes, a lot of it was Sinovac and Sputnik.
- nradov 5y ago
  The US federal government provided funding for the Pfizer / BioNTech vaccine. https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_565aa63a-4c46-4eea-9586-093253d1bdf3 https://www.cnn.com/factsfirst/politics/factcheck_565aa63a-4...

chithanh 5y ago

> Trump should have mandated actual national lockdown As the other commenter pointed out, the executive branch of government lacks authority to do so. Courts have decided over and over again (like with the eviction moratorium, worker vaccine mandate, etc.) that Congress needs to authorize this. So it is very much a failure of Congress to act. And since no action was taken, neither before nor after changing majorities in Congress, all parties failed.