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This is nothing. Back in high school, I used to drink 100 cans of cola a week, right up until my third heart attack. Futurama quotes aside, I don't know what t

This is nothing. Back in high school, I used to drink 100 cans of cola a week, right up until my third heart attack. Futurama quotes aside, I don't know what to make of adults doing this to themselves and their children. Water is fantastic. If taste is what one is after, one can easily drop a couple bags of chai/tea in a liquid vessel of choice. Don't even need to brew it. And if one really "needs" their instant sugar kick - use some actual honey. Cheaper, healthier, better. In every way.

colechristensen 5y ago
Honey is more or less chemically identical to high fructose corn syrup unless there is some magic protective tiny component to honey or poison in HCFS.
- oblak 5y ago
  Both are more or less sugar, obviously. Devil is in the details. No need to polarize things by introducing words such as magic or poison. Do you have any links to support the notion they are pretty much the same thing? Cause I just did some searching and literally all results (ddg, if that matters) are obviously politically motivated. To me, that means that no, they're not the same thing and there's been a lot of money spent on pushing that "agenda", if you will. Edit: Thanks for your input, guys. It would seem the problem with sugars is quantity, not quality. I am agreeing to that not so shocking fact.
  - ncmncm 5y ago
    Honey has only trace amounts of anything except sugar. In particular, it has no fiber. If you can find anything that shows an important difference from sugar or high-fructose corn syrup, report that.
  - gruez 5y ago
    >Do you have any links to support the notion they are pretty much the same thing "The average ratio was 56% fructose to 44% glucose" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey >"HFCS 42" and "HFCS 55" refer to dry weight fructose compositions of 42% and 55% respectively, the rest being glucose.[5] HFCS 42 is mainly used for processed foods and breakfast cereals, whereas HFCS 55 is used mostly for production of soft drinks.[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup
  - colechristensen 5y ago
    Wiki articles linked below confirm. Both honey and HCFS usually contain a bulk composition of a 40:60 to 60:40 ratio of fructose to glucose. There are variations in honey and different grades of HCFS. Honey contains a few other sugars in considerably smaller amounts, and a few percent of "other" stuff, HCFS likewise contains a bit of other material. So either you believe that the minor components of one or the other is what is "good" or "bad" for you or you're the victim of magical thinking that something "natural" is better than something "synthetic" despite being substantially identical.
  - ThrowawayR2 5y ago
    "The average ratio was 56% fructose to 44% glucose, but the ratios in the individual honeys ranged from a high of 64% fructose and 36% glucose (one type of flower honey; table 3 in reference) to a low of 50% fructose and 50% glucose (a different floral source)." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey#Sugar_profile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey#Sugar_profile "'HFCS 42' and 'HFCS 55' refer to dry weight fructose compositions of 42% and 55% respectively, the rest being glucose" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup So they're broadly similar.
- mrfusion 5y ago
  I’ve heard it contains natural anti microbials.
  - ch4s3 5y ago
    Mostly owing to the fact that the concentration of sugar causes bacterial cells to rupture. Dry granulated sugar the same property. Most of the health claims I've encountered about honey seem highly suspect at best.
- forgotmypw17 5y ago
  For one thing, HFCS contains quite a bit of pesticide residue.
  - colechristensen 5y ago
    Define “quite a bit” and what actually ends up in HFCS and doesn’t end up in honey.
    - forgotmypw17 5y ago
      Please google it
Supermancho 5y ago
> Back in high school, I used to drink 100 cans of cola a week In my 20s, I was downing just over a Cube (36 cans) every couple days and that was very difficult. I didn't keep it up for more than a couple weeks.
- senectus1 5y ago
  its hard to expressed how horrified I am by these reports. Are you guys fit/healthy today?
  - Supermancho 5y ago
    I'm 5'11 and under 240lbs. Technically, overweight. I don't drink alcohol (anymore) but I still drink fountain soda^. Because of my age, it goes straight to fat, so I can't do the same volume I did in my 30s, especially with my bad knee which cannot hold over 250lbs. I have to eat rather healthy and take breaks from soda. I drink cold tea and hot honey water otherwise. Due to lifelong heart issues, I don't consume any other types of caffeine (chocolate...maybe a tiny piece every month or 2) or pure junk food like ice cream. ^Fountain soda has a different chemical composition than bottled or canned sodas. Notably less acid, which has left my teeth intact after 25 years. Also, you don't have the aluminum (which is what makes Pepsi taste better from a can) as a neurotoxin. Bottled soda is particularly vulnerable to chemical changes from light and degredation of the bottle's inner coating. I am a coke connoisseur, with a very sensitive palette and would never touch 2 liter soda again (glass bottles are ok, but again, the sugar and acid content is higher).
  - senectus1 5y ago
    >I still drink fountain soda (much much better than canned for a large variety of reasons). genuinely curious how this logic works? Liquid sugar is liquid sugar isn't it? I'm 6'2 and 89kg (196lbs). I stopped drinking any soda, I dont add sugar to any drink anymore (I drink flavoured black tea like vanilla, or ginger/lemon etc but only 1-3 cups a day). No coffee. I control my GERD issues by diet and exercise instead of medication and it seems to be working. I appear to have FODMAP related issues so I'm very careful about the sort of sugars i consume. Artificial sweeteners are right off the list of options as well. Edit: ha you answered it ta. I don't know if I believe what you believe. I'll look into it .

colechristensen 5y ago

Honey is more or less chemically identical to high fructose corn syrup unless there is some magic protective tiny component to honey or poison in HCFS.

oblak 5y ago
Both are more or less sugar, obviously. Devil is in the details. No need to polarize things by introducing words such as magic or poison. Do you have any links to support the notion they are pretty much the same thing? Cause I just did some searching and literally all results (ddg, if that matters) are obviously politically motivated. To me, that means that no, they're not the same thing and there's been a lot of money spent on pushing that "agenda", if you will. Edit: Thanks for your input, guys. It would seem the problem with sugars is quantity, not quality. I am agreeing to that not so shocking fact.
- ncmncm 5y ago
  Honey has only trace amounts of anything except sugar. In particular, it has no fiber. If you can find anything that shows an important difference from sugar or high-fructose corn syrup, report that.
- gruez 5y ago
  >Do you have any links to support the notion they are pretty much the same thing "The average ratio was 56% fructose to 44% glucose" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey >"HFCS 42" and "HFCS 55" refer to dry weight fructose compositions of 42% and 55% respectively, the rest being glucose.[5] HFCS 42 is mainly used for processed foods and breakfast cereals, whereas HFCS 55 is used mostly for production of soft drinks.[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup
- colechristensen 5y ago
  Wiki articles linked below confirm. Both honey and HCFS usually contain a bulk composition of a 40:60 to 60:40 ratio of fructose to glucose. There are variations in honey and different grades of HCFS. Honey contains a few other sugars in considerably smaller amounts, and a few percent of "other" stuff, HCFS likewise contains a bit of other material. So either you believe that the minor components of one or the other is what is "good" or "bad" for you or you're the victim of magical thinking that something "natural" is better than something "synthetic" despite being substantially identical.
- ThrowawayR2 5y ago
  "The average ratio was 56% fructose to 44% glucose, but the ratios in the individual honeys ranged from a high of 64% fructose and 36% glucose (one type of flower honey; table 3 in reference) to a low of 50% fructose and 50% glucose (a different floral source)." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey#Sugar_profile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey#Sugar_profile "'HFCS 42' and 'HFCS 55' refer to dry weight fructose compositions of 42% and 55% respectively, the rest being glucose" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup So they're broadly similar.
mrfusion 5y ago
I’ve heard it contains natural anti microbials.
- ch4s3 5y ago
  Mostly owing to the fact that the concentration of sugar causes bacterial cells to rupture. Dry granulated sugar the same property. Most of the health claims I've encountered about honey seem highly suspect at best.
forgotmypw17 5y ago
For one thing, HFCS contains quite a bit of pesticide residue.
- colechristensen 5y ago
  Define “quite a bit” and what actually ends up in HFCS and doesn’t end up in honey.
  - forgotmypw17 5y ago
    Please google it

Supermancho 5y ago

> Back in high school, I used to drink 100 cans of cola a week In my 20s, I was downing just over a Cube (36 cans) every couple days and that was very difficult. I didn't keep it up for more than a couple weeks.

senectus1 5y ago
its hard to expressed how horrified I am by these reports. Are you guys fit/healthy today?
- Supermancho 5y ago
  I'm 5'11 and under 240lbs. Technically, overweight. I don't drink alcohol (anymore) but I still drink fountain soda^. Because of my age, it goes straight to fat, so I can't do the same volume I did in my 30s, especially with my bad knee which cannot hold over 250lbs. I have to eat rather healthy and take breaks from soda. I drink cold tea and hot honey water otherwise. Due to lifelong heart issues, I don't consume any other types of caffeine (chocolate...maybe a tiny piece every month or 2) or pure junk food like ice cream. ^Fountain soda has a different chemical composition than bottled or canned sodas. Notably less acid, which has left my teeth intact after 25 years. Also, you don't have the aluminum (which is what makes Pepsi taste better from a can) as a neurotoxin. Bottled soda is particularly vulnerable to chemical changes from light and degredation of the bottle's inner coating. I am a coke connoisseur, with a very sensitive palette and would never touch 2 liter soda again (glass bottles are ok, but again, the sugar and acid content is higher).
- senectus1 5y ago
  >I still drink fountain soda (much much better than canned for a large variety of reasons). genuinely curious how this logic works? Liquid sugar is liquid sugar isn't it? I'm 6'2 and 89kg (196lbs). I stopped drinking any soda, I dont add sugar to any drink anymore (I drink flavoured black tea like vanilla, or ginger/lemon etc but only 1-3 cups a day). No coffee. I control my GERD issues by diet and exercise instead of medication and it seems to be working. I appear to have FODMAP related issues so I'm very careful about the sort of sugars i consume. Artificial sweeteners are right off the list of options as well. Edit: ha you answered it ta. I don't know if I believe what you believe. I'll look into it .