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The bigger problem is that it appears that the dealerships have just done a big bait and switch, customers already preordered and if my research was correct - t

The bigger problem is that it appears that the dealerships have just done a big bait and switch, customers already preordered and if my research was correct - they basically said F* you to the customers that already pre ordered and said if you want it now - you have to pay more - or you lose your deposit. this video sums it up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pil6tB6MPws https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pil6tB6MPws

chmod775 5y ago
> or you lose your deposit Calling that a deposit is stretching the definition - you're just paying a fee to skip ahead in line: a reservation. Suppose though it actually was a partial, non-refundable, advance payment of a yet-to-be-determined sum. Who in their right mind would sign such a contract? Those people should find someone else to manage their money for them ASAP.
darknavi 5y ago
> The bigger problem is dealerships FTFY
- brightball 5y ago
  Aka - Sales Unions
  - adventured 5y ago
    The dealerships are more like a cartel because they're focused on keeping the cost of the product artificially inflated enough that they can scam their margin from inbetween the customer and the producer. Unions focus on keeping wages higher than they otherwise would be. For example health insurance companies in the US fall into the same cartel category as automobile dealerships. They scam their margin / mark-up sitting - often with regulatory protection - inbetween the patient and the care provider (hospital etc) or producer (pharma company, device maker etc).
    - brightball 5y ago
      Dealership groups push for the regulations that force producers to use them. Tesla has had to fight hard to avoid the dealership model because of it.
      - darknavi 5y ago
        They still can't legally sell a car direct to consumer in Texas (their headquarters state).
akvadrako 5y ago
That would simply not be legal. As a sibling comment mentioned, it may not have been structured financially as a deposit.

chmod775 5y ago

> or you lose your deposit Calling that a deposit is stretching the definition - you're just paying a fee to skip ahead in line: a reservation. Suppose though it actually was a partial, non-refundable, advance payment of a yet-to-be-determined sum. Who in their right mind would sign such a contract? Those people should find someone else to manage their money for them ASAP.

darknavi 5y ago

> The bigger problem is dealerships FTFY

brightball 5y ago
Aka - Sales Unions
- adventured 5y ago
  The dealerships are more like a cartel because they're focused on keeping the cost of the product artificially inflated enough that they can scam their margin from inbetween the customer and the producer. Unions focus on keeping wages higher than they otherwise would be. For example health insurance companies in the US fall into the same cartel category as automobile dealerships. They scam their margin / mark-up sitting - often with regulatory protection - inbetween the patient and the care provider (hospital etc) or producer (pharma company, device maker etc).
  - brightball 5y ago
    Dealership groups push for the regulations that force producers to use them. Tesla has had to fight hard to avoid the dealership model because of it.
    - darknavi 5y ago
      They still can't legally sell a car direct to consumer in Texas (their headquarters state).

akvadrako 5y ago

That would simply not be legal. As a sibling comment mentioned, it may not have been structured financially as a deposit.