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Same boat. I'm pro-vaccine, but I have no desire to punish those who disagree.

Daishiman 5y ago
I have a desire to punish the people whose ignorance stress hospital systems all over the world, have made working in healthcare a living hell for the past two years, and who willfully expose themselves to the long-term risks of the disease and leave the rest of us to pick up the pieces.
- tzekid 5y ago
  Question your sources first, before you think about ruining lives. E.g. here in Germany there's been a hospital management problem on the gov's side since late 00's early 10's. Relatively, in the past two years there has been no difference to the hospital problems compared to 2010 - 2012.
  - Daishiman 5y ago
    My sources are friends who work in radiology and cancer wards who are tired of COVID inducing totally preventable deaths. I just canceled my flight to visit one of them because the circulation of Omicron is too high to risk it, as they're being asked to quarantine just 5 days as there's not enough staff around, an unprecedented situation. It is an enormously, totally different thing. How the hell are people still denying it at this point?
    - hotz 5y ago
      Omicron is a mild flu. Live your life and have fun. Don't be a victim to fear mongering. I'm never getting vaccinated, I haven't been sick since this thing started. I'm South African, our vaccination rates are well below the rest of the world and we're relaxing restrictions. You wanna tell me us Africans have more common sense than the West? Don't let the media and politicians imprison you and turn you against the people around you.
      - Daishiman 5y ago
        That's why your life expectancy is what it is.
        helloworld11 5y ago
        Do you really believe this, or was that just a bit of casual and implicit racism to go with your fear mongering? Also, you are aware that pretty much all available evidence so far shows Omicron to indeed be extremely mild, in symptoms little different from a mild flu or a heavier cold? If you've vaccinated yourself and ensured that your loved ones are in the same boat, its absurd to want to strong arm those who decide not to repeatedly vaccinate for their own personal choice. For one thing, they won't directly affect you. Secondly, at this early stage, how can you be sure that the vaccines themselves won't cause their own long-term consequences that cause you as a vaccine proponent to be in the wrong about good public health? Live your own life, paranoid or not, but let others make their own choices, especially if they're young. Virtually nobody is lacking for a vaccination option if they're really worried about contact with the unvaxxed.
        Daishiman 5y ago
        What the hell do you mean, "they won't directly affect me"? So hospitals getting full of unvaccinated patients "doesn't affect me"? Service industries losing staff all over doesn't affect me? Increased insurance costs and cancelled flights don't concern me? A huge number of people having long COVID symptoms, record number of people applying for disabilities, doesn't affect me? There's not enough medical staff to go around treating these idiots. Your arguements are just one brtual demonstration of ignorance after another.
        helloworld11 5y ago
        They shouldn't affect me, or anyone else who can show a bit of mental amplitude. Hospitals are for one thing in many cases not getting nearly as saturated as hysterias have predicted (even though they been have in certain contexts) and secondly, the world's governments, medical institutions and NGOs have had nearly two years to ramp up certain preparations, instead of throwing mass blame onto unvaccinated people as if they were the cause of all ills. The same goes for shortages of medical staff. Again, it's been two. fucking. years. The same goes for many other industries such as those you refer to, as well as cancelled flights. These are problems caused by irresponsible structural management, not people exercising the basic right of bodily autonomy. As for long COVID, it's still hotly debated how prevalent it is but the numbers are nowhere near enough to justify your own hysterical claim about its importance on a global scale. Your very dismissal of any nuance and of people who for numerous reasons disagree with mass forced vaccinations and social punishments for those who harbour reasonable doubts about these particular vaccines is also grotesque and childish. Simply referring to those of us who consider this whole range of factors as "idiots" is foolish and arrogant in an absurd way. Ignorance is blindly, fearfully swallowing a fixed narrative and reducing anything that disagrees with it into simplistic reductions

I have a desire to punish the people whose ignorance stress hospital systems all over the world, have made working in healthcare a living hell for the past two years, and who willfully expose themselves to the long-term risks of the disease and leave the rest of us to pick up the pieces.

tzekid 5y ago
Question your sources first, before you think about ruining lives. E.g. here in Germany there's been a hospital management problem on the gov's side since late 00's early 10's. Relatively, in the past two years there has been no difference to the hospital problems compared to 2010 - 2012.
- Daishiman 5y ago
  My sources are friends who work in radiology and cancer wards who are tired of COVID inducing totally preventable deaths. I just canceled my flight to visit one of them because the circulation of Omicron is too high to risk it, as they're being asked to quarantine just 5 days as there's not enough staff around, an unprecedented situation. It is an enormously, totally different thing. How the hell are people still denying it at this point?
  - hotz 5y ago
    Omicron is a mild flu. Live your life and have fun. Don't be a victim to fear mongering. I'm never getting vaccinated, I haven't been sick since this thing started. I'm South African, our vaccination rates are well below the rest of the world and we're relaxing restrictions. You wanna tell me us Africans have more common sense than the West? Don't let the media and politicians imprison you and turn you against the people around you.
    - Daishiman 5y ago
      That's why your life expectancy is what it is.
      - helloworld11 5y ago
        Do you really believe this, or was that just a bit of casual and implicit racism to go with your fear mongering? Also, you are aware that pretty much all available evidence so far shows Omicron to indeed be extremely mild, in symptoms little different from a mild flu or a heavier cold? If you've vaccinated yourself and ensured that your loved ones are in the same boat, its absurd to want to strong arm those who decide not to repeatedly vaccinate for their own personal choice. For one thing, they won't directly affect you. Secondly, at this early stage, how can you be sure that the vaccines themselves won't cause their own long-term consequences that cause you as a vaccine proponent to be in the wrong about good public health? Live your own life, paranoid or not, but let others make their own choices, especially if they're young. Virtually nobody is lacking for a vaccination option if they're really worried about contact with the unvaxxed.
        Daishiman 5y ago
        What the hell do you mean, "they won't directly affect me"? So hospitals getting full of unvaccinated patients "doesn't affect me"? Service industries losing staff all over doesn't affect me? Increased insurance costs and cancelled flights don't concern me? A huge number of people having long COVID symptoms, record number of people applying for disabilities, doesn't affect me? There's not enough medical staff to go around treating these idiots. Your arguements are just one brtual demonstration of ignorance after another.
        helloworld11 5y ago
        They shouldn't affect me, or anyone else who can show a bit of mental amplitude. Hospitals are for one thing in many cases not getting nearly as saturated as hysterias have predicted (even though they been have in certain contexts) and secondly, the world's governments, medical institutions and NGOs have had nearly two years to ramp up certain preparations, instead of throwing mass blame onto unvaccinated people as if they were the cause of all ills. The same goes for shortages of medical staff. Again, it's been two. fucking. years. The same goes for many other industries such as those you refer to, as well as cancelled flights. These are problems caused by irresponsible structural management, not people exercising the basic right of bodily autonomy. As for long COVID, it's still hotly debated how prevalent it is but the numbers are nowhere near enough to justify your own hysterical claim about its importance on a global scale. Your very dismissal of any nuance and of people who for numerous reasons disagree with mass forced vaccinations and social punishments for those who harbour reasonable doubts about these particular vaccines is also grotesque and childish. Simply referring to those of us who consider this whole range of factors as "idiots" is foolish and arrogant in an absurd way. Ignorance is blindly, fearfully swallowing a fixed narrative and reducing anything that disagrees with it into simplistic reductions