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Does “flaming liberal” === excusing the CCP’s behavior? At least in the US, the CCP is condemned by most politicians from across the classic liberal-conservativ

Does “flaming liberal” === excusing the CCP’s behavior? At least in the US, the CCP is condemned by most politicians from across the classic liberal-conservative spectrum.

suction 5y ago
"Liberal" in the US policy-wise is extremely conservative in most Western European countries, for example Merkel's party CDU is a "right of center conservative" party in Germany but would be far left in the US. Maybe it's not comparable, coming to think of it, because morals and values are so extremely different in Europe and the US.
- explodingcamera 5y ago
  I don't know why people keep saying this, but there's no way in hell the CDU is far left. The CDU is a historically conservative center to slightly right party, and if they didn't need the votes, the current politicians in charge would go further to the right. A couple of years ago, the CDU lost many voters to the AFD, which is a far right extremist party, and many CDU politicians still sympathize with them, while no other party in Germany collaborates with the AFD. Getting pro gay, trans, and abortion laws through was hell with the CDU in power.
  - reactor4 5y ago
    [...] would be far left in the US.
- colinmhayes 5y ago
  The CDU has very similar policies to Democrats. They would be completely within the overton window here.
JohnJamesRambo 5y ago
No I despise the stifling of human freedom caused by the Chinese government.
labster 5y ago
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- sriram_malhar 5y ago
  Nope. It is not a given that liberals "reflexively" do the opposite of Trump. There's a huge shared overlap about a distrust of China. I know that I rejected the lab leak theory because of WHO's press release and articles on foreignpolicy.com, but at that time I didn't know about the conflict of interest.
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  - jacquesm 5y ago
    And even with the conflict of interest, all the evidence available points to a zooonosis, not a lab leak.
haswell 5y ago
I’m curious how/why being a “flaming liberal” would ever lead to “excusing the CCP’s behavior”?
- ralmidani 5y ago
  It shouldn’t. That’s why I asked the question.
  - haswell 5y ago
    I don’t understand why the question needed to be asked in the first place. There’s no reason to assume such support based on the “flaming liberal” designation, so asking the question can only be interpreted as some form of accusation or implication that such a relationship does exist.
    - ralmidani 5y ago
      From GP’s post: “I’m a flaming liberal but I still thought we should at least pursue the lab leak hypothesis…” I was questioning the relationship between the two parts of that sentence, that’s all.
      - haswell 5y ago
        While the lab leak hypothesis has been politicized, yes, I still see no connection between liberalism and support of the CCP. And again I ask: how does being a liberal and supporting the investigation of the lab leak hypothesis have any connection to supporting CCP behavior? The only possible conclusion I can draw is that you’re implying those liberals who don’t think lab leak should be discussed are somehow implicitly supporting the CCP, but this does not logically follow either.

Does “flaming liberal” === excusing the CCP’s behavior? At least in the US, the CCP is condemned by most politicians from across the classic liberal-conservative spectrum.

suction 5y ago

"Liberal" in the US policy-wise is extremely conservative in most Western European countries, for example Merkel's party CDU is a "right of center conservative" party in Germany but would be far left in the US. Maybe it's not comparable, coming to think of it, because morals and values are so extremely different in Europe and the US.

explodingcamera 5y ago
I don't know why people keep saying this, but there's no way in hell the CDU is far left. The CDU is a historically conservative center to slightly right party, and if they didn't need the votes, the current politicians in charge would go further to the right. A couple of years ago, the CDU lost many voters to the AFD, which is a far right extremist party, and many CDU politicians still sympathize with them, while no other party in Germany collaborates with the AFD. Getting pro gay, trans, and abortion laws through was hell with the CDU in power.
- reactor4 5y ago
  [...] would be far left in the US.
colinmhayes 5y ago
The CDU has very similar policies to Democrats. They would be completely within the overton window here.

JohnJamesRambo 5y ago

No I despise the stifling of human freedom caused by the Chinese government.

labster 5y ago

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sriram_malhar 5y ago
Nope. It is not a given that liberals "reflexively" do the opposite of Trump. There's a huge shared overlap about a distrust of China. I know that I rejected the lab leak theory because of WHO's press release and articles on foreignpolicy.com, but at that time I didn't know about the conflict of interest.
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- jacquesm 5y ago
  And even with the conflict of interest, all the evidence available points to a zooonosis, not a lab leak.

haswell 5y ago

I’m curious how/why being a “flaming liberal” would ever lead to “excusing the CCP’s behavior”?

ralmidani 5y ago
It shouldn’t. That’s why I asked the question.
- haswell 5y ago
  I don’t understand why the question needed to be asked in the first place. There’s no reason to assume such support based on the “flaming liberal” designation, so asking the question can only be interpreted as some form of accusation or implication that such a relationship does exist.
  - ralmidani 5y ago
    From GP’s post: “I’m a flaming liberal but I still thought we should at least pursue the lab leak hypothesis…” I was questioning the relationship between the two parts of that sentence, that’s all.
    - haswell 5y ago
      While the lab leak hypothesis has been politicized, yes, I still see no connection between liberalism and support of the CCP. And again I ask: how does being a liberal and supporting the investigation of the lab leak hypothesis have any connection to supporting CCP behavior? The only possible conclusion I can draw is that you’re implying those liberals who don’t think lab leak should be discussed are somehow implicitly supporting the CCP, but this does not logically follow either.