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Wrong, a year ago all countries vaccination target was lower Initially started with the medicine standard herd immunity of 65%, which includes vaccinated and r

Wrong, a year ago all countries vaccination target was lower Initially started with the medicine standard herd immunity of 65%, which includes vaccinated and recovered And now even 90% vaccinated is supposedly unacceptable https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56722186 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56722186

Daishiman 5y ago
Because the disease has changed. Are you ignorant of that?
- lordloki 5y ago
  The disease has changed to reduce the effectiveness of the vaccines to the point where they don't show any significant ability to stop the spread. The current vaccines may help the individual against Omicron but does nothing to help the collective. Are you ignorant of that?
  - eli_gottlieb 5y ago
    Right, the solution is to improve and update the vaccines.
    - guilhas 5y ago
      And in the meantime not force anyone, since the vaccine is experimental, and the efficacy lower than previously thought
      - Daishiman 5y ago
        The efficacy for reducing disease severity is super high and it's what's keeping many jurisdictions from not getting hospitals stuffed with Omicron patients. The vaccine isn't experimental, stop with that stupid trope. How many billions more patients do you want before you'll consider the known data definitive?
  - Daishiman 5y ago
    Ah I wasn't aware that reduction in rates of hospitalization by a factor of 20 do nothing to help the collective. What kind of ridiculous argument is this?
- guilhas 5y ago
  Yes it changed to be less deadly, making vaccines, "reduction of severe disease", less necessary? So will they revise and lower the vaccination targets? Omicron up to 70% less likely to need hospital care https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59769969 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59769969
  - Daishiman 5y ago
    No, because with an increase in R0 in counties with low vaccination rates the hospital wards get filled up.
    - guilhas 5y ago
      South Africa with only 23% double vaccinated, reported the same. R0 overtaken by hospitalization probability. Leading to an overall reduction in 80% of hospitalizations Omicron Has 80% Lower Risk of Hospitalization in South Africa https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-22/omicron-has-80-lower-risk-of-hospitalization-new-study-shows https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-22/omicron-h... Omicron has passed peak in South Africa, causing relatively few deaths and hospitalizations, authorities say https://www.yahoo.com/news/omicron-passed-peak-south-africa-121916683.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/omicron-passed-peak-south-africa-...

Daishiman 5y ago

Because the disease has changed. Are you ignorant of that?

lordloki 5y ago
The disease has changed to reduce the effectiveness of the vaccines to the point where they don't show any significant ability to stop the spread. The current vaccines may help the individual against Omicron but does nothing to help the collective. Are you ignorant of that?
- eli_gottlieb 5y ago
  Right, the solution is to improve and update the vaccines.
  - guilhas 5y ago
    And in the meantime not force anyone, since the vaccine is experimental, and the efficacy lower than previously thought
    - Daishiman 5y ago
      The efficacy for reducing disease severity is super high and it's what's keeping many jurisdictions from not getting hospitals stuffed with Omicron patients. The vaccine isn't experimental, stop with that stupid trope. How many billions more patients do you want before you'll consider the known data definitive?
- Daishiman 5y ago
  Ah I wasn't aware that reduction in rates of hospitalization by a factor of 20 do nothing to help the collective. What kind of ridiculous argument is this?
guilhas 5y ago
Yes it changed to be less deadly, making vaccines, "reduction of severe disease", less necessary? So will they revise and lower the vaccination targets? Omicron up to 70% less likely to need hospital care https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59769969 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59769969
- Daishiman 5y ago
  No, because with an increase in R0 in counties with low vaccination rates the hospital wards get filled up.
  - guilhas 5y ago
    South Africa with only 23% double vaccinated, reported the same. R0 overtaken by hospitalization probability. Leading to an overall reduction in 80% of hospitalizations Omicron Has 80% Lower Risk of Hospitalization in South Africa https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-22/omicron-has-80-lower-risk-of-hospitalization-new-study-shows https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-22/omicron-h... Omicron has passed peak in South Africa, causing relatively few deaths and hospitalizations, authorities say https://www.yahoo.com/news/omicron-passed-peak-south-africa-121916683.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/omicron-passed-peak-south-africa-...