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Is there room for those of us who believe the mRNA vaccines are effective at reducing transmission and severe disease yet don’t want to relegate our fellow citi

Is there room for those of us who believe the mRNA vaccines are effective at reducing transmission and severe disease yet don’t want to relegate our fellow citizens to second class status for not wanting to inject themselves with something they’re not sure about? We seem all too ready to ruin the lives of those who don’t want the jab.

inglor_cz 5y ago
I am of similar persuasion. Previously Covid-infected, two Pfizers in me, scheduled for the booster on Wednesday, but I definitely feel that forcing people into vaccination by economic and political pressure is going to backfire. If the root problem is lack of trust, use of force will likely make it worse.
klipklop 5y ago
There are a lot more of us than the media would lead you to believe. I have 2 shots and have no problem working alongside those with zero. In the US/Canada for most people to keep your house you have to work for a corporation. Having your employer as the vaccine enforcer means they have no real free choice. It’s comply or become homeless. Not working for most is far more damaging than contracting Covid. To deny them government benefits they paid for via taxes because they don’t want to take the vaccine is absurd. The whole “I don’t want the unvaccinated to put me at risk” crowd can just go seal themselves up in a bubble. You can’t avoid contracting Covid forever at this point. There is 3x vaccine shots to protect you and now antiviral cocktails.
exolymph 5y ago
Same boat. I'm pro-vaccine, but I have no desire to punish those who disagree.
- Daishiman 5y ago
  I have a desire to punish the people whose ignorance stress hospital systems all over the world, have made working in healthcare a living hell for the past two years, and who willfully expose themselves to the long-term risks of the disease and leave the rest of us to pick up the pieces.
  - tzekid 5y ago
    Question your sources first, before you think about ruining lives. E.g. here in Germany there's been a hospital management problem on the gov's side since late 00's early 10's. Relatively, in the past two years there has been no difference to the hospital problems compared to 2010 - 2012.
    - Daishiman 5y ago
      My sources are friends who work in radiology and cancer wards who are tired of COVID inducing totally preventable deaths. I just canceled my flight to visit one of them because the circulation of Omicron is too high to risk it, as they're being asked to quarantine just 5 days as there's not enough staff around, an unprecedented situation. It is an enormously, totally different thing. How the hell are people still denying it at this point?
      - hotz 5y ago
        Omicron is a mild flu. Live your life and have fun. Don't be a victim to fear mongering. I'm never getting vaccinated, I haven't been sick since this thing started. I'm South African, our vaccination rates are well below the rest of the world and we're relaxing restrictions. You wanna tell me us Africans have more common sense than the West? Don't let the media and politicians imprison you and turn you against the people around you.
        Daishiman 5y ago
        That's why your life expectancy is what it is.
        helloworld11 5y ago
        Do you really believe this, or was that just a bit of casual and implicit racism to go with your fear mongering? Also, you are aware that pretty much all available evidence so far shows Omicron to indeed be extremely mild, in symptoms little different from a mild flu or a heavier cold? If you've vaccinated yourself and ensured that your loved ones are in the same boat, its absurd to want to strong arm those who decide not to repeatedly vaccinate for their own personal choice. For one thing, they won't directly affect you. Secondly, at this early stage, how can you be sure that the vaccines themselves won't cause their own long-term consequences that cause you as a vaccine proponent to be in the wrong about good public health? Live your own life, paranoid or not, but let others make their own choices, especially if they're young. Virtually nobody is lacking for a vaccination option if they're really worried about contact with the unvaxxed.
rainbowzootsuit 5y ago
I concur with this sentiment as well. The only thing that causes equivocation for me is the possibility of overloaded hospitals. However, at this point, I don't think an attempt to strong arm people is going to improve the adoption of the vaccine by those who have not already received it. I also, having taken the full course of an mRNA vaccine and booster, am not willing to participate in the "vaccination card ID to enter businesses" that is recently popular in some places.
jaks6 5y ago
I am also in this boat. The jab-rejecters' behaviour is often called "reckless" for stressing the hospital system. But we see reckless behavior outside of vaccines too: drunk driving, general violence, daredevil stunts and extreme sports. All these things can lead to hospitalization, but we "tolerate" treatment of these cases in hospitalization. I don't think any anti-vaxxer expects to end up hospitalized, just as nobody driving drunk expects to go and kill somebody with their car.
- aoeusnth1 5y ago
  I’m confused. Are you saying we tolerate drunk driving and violence?
  - jaks6 5y ago
    We tolerate medical treatment of people involved in reckless behavior such as those
    - brandon272 5y ago
      We “tolerate” it insofar that drunk driving does not chronically overwhelm our healthcare system.
MikusR 5y ago
I am not sure about taxes.

inglor_cz 5y ago

I am of similar persuasion. Previously Covid-infected, two Pfizers in me, scheduled for the booster on Wednesday, but I definitely feel that forcing people into vaccination by economic and political pressure is going to backfire. If the root problem is lack of trust, use of force will likely make it worse.

klipklop 5y ago

There are a lot more of us than the media would lead you to believe. I have 2 shots and have no problem working alongside those with zero. In the US/Canada for most people to keep your house you have to work for a corporation. Having your employer as the vaccine enforcer means they have no real free choice. It’s comply or become homeless. Not working for most is far more damaging than contracting Covid. To deny them government benefits they paid for via taxes because they don’t want to take the vaccine is absurd. The whole “I don’t want the unvaccinated to put me at risk” crowd can just go seal themselves up in a bubble. You can’t avoid contracting Covid forever at this point. There is 3x vaccine shots to protect you and now antiviral cocktails.

exolymph 5y ago

Same boat. I'm pro-vaccine, but I have no desire to punish those who disagree.

Daishiman 5y ago
I have a desire to punish the people whose ignorance stress hospital systems all over the world, have made working in healthcare a living hell for the past two years, and who willfully expose themselves to the long-term risks of the disease and leave the rest of us to pick up the pieces.
- tzekid 5y ago
  Question your sources first, before you think about ruining lives. E.g. here in Germany there's been a hospital management problem on the gov's side since late 00's early 10's. Relatively, in the past two years there has been no difference to the hospital problems compared to 2010 - 2012.
  - Daishiman 5y ago
    My sources are friends who work in radiology and cancer wards who are tired of COVID inducing totally preventable deaths. I just canceled my flight to visit one of them because the circulation of Omicron is too high to risk it, as they're being asked to quarantine just 5 days as there's not enough staff around, an unprecedented situation. It is an enormously, totally different thing. How the hell are people still denying it at this point?
    - hotz 5y ago
      Omicron is a mild flu. Live your life and have fun. Don't be a victim to fear mongering. I'm never getting vaccinated, I haven't been sick since this thing started. I'm South African, our vaccination rates are well below the rest of the world and we're relaxing restrictions. You wanna tell me us Africans have more common sense than the West? Don't let the media and politicians imprison you and turn you against the people around you.
      - Daishiman 5y ago
        That's why your life expectancy is what it is.
        helloworld11 5y ago
        Do you really believe this, or was that just a bit of casual and implicit racism to go with your fear mongering? Also, you are aware that pretty much all available evidence so far shows Omicron to indeed be extremely mild, in symptoms little different from a mild flu or a heavier cold? If you've vaccinated yourself and ensured that your loved ones are in the same boat, its absurd to want to strong arm those who decide not to repeatedly vaccinate for their own personal choice. For one thing, they won't directly affect you. Secondly, at this early stage, how can you be sure that the vaccines themselves won't cause their own long-term consequences that cause you as a vaccine proponent to be in the wrong about good public health? Live your own life, paranoid or not, but let others make their own choices, especially if they're young. Virtually nobody is lacking for a vaccination option if they're really worried about contact with the unvaxxed.

rainbowzootsuit 5y ago

I concur with this sentiment as well. The only thing that causes equivocation for me is the possibility of overloaded hospitals. However, at this point, I don't think an attempt to strong arm people is going to improve the adoption of the vaccine by those who have not already received it. I also, having taken the full course of an mRNA vaccine and booster, am not willing to participate in the "vaccination card ID to enter businesses" that is recently popular in some places.

jaks6 5y ago

I am also in this boat. The jab-rejecters' behaviour is often called "reckless" for stressing the hospital system. But we see reckless behavior outside of vaccines too: drunk driving, general violence, daredevil stunts and extreme sports. All these things can lead to hospitalization, but we "tolerate" treatment of these cases in hospitalization. I don't think any anti-vaxxer expects to end up hospitalized, just as nobody driving drunk expects to go and kill somebody with their car.

aoeusnth1 5y ago
I’m confused. Are you saying we tolerate drunk driving and violence?
- jaks6 5y ago
  We tolerate medical treatment of people involved in reckless behavior such as those
  - brandon272 5y ago
    We “tolerate” it insofar that drunk driving does not chronically overwhelm our healthcare system.

MikusR 5y ago

I am not sure about taxes.