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Cloud / data center GPU consumption has also gone up in the past couple years.

rvz 5y ago
If you mention anything about the cloud, deep learning training on GPUs and the impact on the environment that has and the increasing costs of training and fine tuning your neural net, they won't care at all, they will still do it after all these years. As you know it is still a valid point.
- ShamelessC 5y ago
  > If you mention anything about the cloud, deep learning training on GPUs and the impact on the environment that has and the increasing costs of training and fine tuning your neural net, they won't care at all, they will still do it after all these years. There is a recent trend to discuss environmental impacts of training deep learning models in papers. See e.g. Latent Diffusion Models (Heidelberg), RETRO (Deepmind). Further, I would posit that machine learning has a much clearer value proposition than cryptocurrencies which are a highly speculative. Finally, your argument is an example of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism. Rather than arguing against facts presented you are changing the subject to say "look here though! this happens here and you're all hypocrites for not noticing it!" This makes your argument seem defensive, biased and unconvincing.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - rvz 5y ago
    Except that I already agreed with the article before you commented [0], so it isn't Whataboutism. (You clearly knew due to your own reply to my comment). [1] Somehow, you thought I brought up the subject, or didn't I just simply agree with the parent comment too? Seems like you rushed to comment towards the wrong person. > ...than cryptocurrencies which are a highly speculative. How can a regulated stablecoin like USDP or USDC, or even CBDCs sitting on a cryptocurrency technology like XRPL or the Stellar Network etc. be 'highly speculative'? I hope you haven't shown your 'bias' and targeted me, instead of the parent comment. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29759242 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29759242 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29759347 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29759347
    - ShamelessC 5y ago
      > Except that I already agreed with the article before you commented [0], so it isn't Whataboutism. Apologies but I really had a tough time parsing the last sentence in your initial comment for some reason. I see now that you agreed with the article. I'll concede that you were not technically using that strategy in its purest form. You were, however, deflecting to another issue. > How can a regulated stablecoin like USDP or USDC, or even CBDCs sitting on a cryptocurrency technology like XRPL or the Stellar Network etc. be 'highly speculative'? I said "cryptocurrencies" to refer to cryptocurrency broadly (so not just stablecoins). I had hoped that was obvious, apologies. Machine learning has offered tangible benefits for natural language processing (GPT), semantic search (CLIP/faiss indices), digital art (GLIDE/DALL-E) and protein folding (AlphaFold). Cryptocurrencies certainly promise to solve a lot of very severe issues in the world such as banking for the unbanked but it's less obvious when it accomplishes these goals. Could you list some tangible benefits that have been accomplished already in the crypto scene?
      - rvz 5y ago
        > Could you list some tangible benefits that have been accomplished already in the crypto scene? The partnership between Moneygram and Stellar. [0] Using the USDC stablecoin on the stellar network for near-instant settlements and transfers. Stellar pilot into CBDCs in Ukraine, [1] and Ripple used for CBDCs for Bhutan. [2] [0] https://ir.moneygram.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moneygram-announces-innovative-partnership-stellar-development https://ir.moneygram.com/news-releases/news-release-details/... [1] https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2021/12/14/ukraine-commercial-bank-to-test-digital-currency-built-on-stellar/ https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2021/12/14/ukraine-commercia... [2] https://ripple.com/insights/bhutan-advances-financial-inclusion-and-sustainability-with-ripples-cbdc-solution/ https://ripple.com/insights/bhutan-advances-financial-inclus...
- fdsklfdsklfj 5y ago
  Mining Dogecoins and solving protein folding add the same value to society after all.
  - oriolid 5y ago
    This is an interesting conclusion and I'd like to hear some reasoning behind it.
    - martin8412 5y ago
      It's sarcasm
      - rixed 5y ago
        Hopefully oriolid's comment was, too?
        oriolid 5y ago
        The British understatement variant.
  - bitxbitxbitcoin 5y ago
    Dogecoin mining hasn’t been done on GPUs for many many years now.
  - boppo1 5y ago
    Could we use protien folding calculations for proof of work?
    - tsimionescu 5y ago
      No, because those risk being easy in certain cases, and thus making the whole thing insecure.
joelbondurant 5y ago
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agumonkey 5y ago
I sincerely wonder what is coming out datacenter mining these days.. what do companies do more that requires so much power ?
dehrmann 5y ago
The answer to the original question is "yes," but growth of ML and covid supply chain issues are also to blame.

rvz 5y ago

If you mention anything about the cloud, deep learning training on GPUs and the impact on the environment that has and the increasing costs of training and fine tuning your neural net, they won't care at all, they will still do it after all these years. As you know it is still a valid point.

ShamelessC 5y ago
> If you mention anything about the cloud, deep learning training on GPUs and the impact on the environment that has and the increasing costs of training and fine tuning your neural net, they won't care at all, they will still do it after all these years. There is a recent trend to discuss environmental impacts of training deep learning models in papers. See e.g. Latent Diffusion Models (Heidelberg), RETRO (Deepmind). Further, I would posit that machine learning has a much clearer value proposition than cryptocurrencies which are a highly speculative. Finally, your argument is an example of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism. Rather than arguing against facts presented you are changing the subject to say "look here though! this happens here and you're all hypocrites for not noticing it!" This makes your argument seem defensive, biased and unconvincing.
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- rvz 5y ago
  Except that I already agreed with the article before you commented [0], so it isn't Whataboutism. (You clearly knew due to your own reply to my comment). [1] Somehow, you thought I brought up the subject, or didn't I just simply agree with the parent comment too? Seems like you rushed to comment towards the wrong person. > ...than cryptocurrencies which are a highly speculative. How can a regulated stablecoin like USDP or USDC, or even CBDCs sitting on a cryptocurrency technology like XRPL or the Stellar Network etc. be 'highly speculative'? I hope you haven't shown your 'bias' and targeted me, instead of the parent comment. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29759242 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29759242 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29759347 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29759347
  - ShamelessC 5y ago
    > Except that I already agreed with the article before you commented [0], so it isn't Whataboutism. Apologies but I really had a tough time parsing the last sentence in your initial comment for some reason. I see now that you agreed with the article. I'll concede that you were not technically using that strategy in its purest form. You were, however, deflecting to another issue. > How can a regulated stablecoin like USDP or USDC, or even CBDCs sitting on a cryptocurrency technology like XRPL or the Stellar Network etc. be 'highly speculative'? I said "cryptocurrencies" to refer to cryptocurrency broadly (so not just stablecoins). I had hoped that was obvious, apologies. Machine learning has offered tangible benefits for natural language processing (GPT), semantic search (CLIP/faiss indices), digital art (GLIDE/DALL-E) and protein folding (AlphaFold). Cryptocurrencies certainly promise to solve a lot of very severe issues in the world such as banking for the unbanked but it's less obvious when it accomplishes these goals. Could you list some tangible benefits that have been accomplished already in the crypto scene?
    - rvz 5y ago
      > Could you list some tangible benefits that have been accomplished already in the crypto scene? The partnership between Moneygram and Stellar. [0] Using the USDC stablecoin on the stellar network for near-instant settlements and transfers. Stellar pilot into CBDCs in Ukraine, [1] and Ripple used for CBDCs for Bhutan. [2] [0] https://ir.moneygram.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moneygram-announces-innovative-partnership-stellar-development https://ir.moneygram.com/news-releases/news-release-details/... [1] https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2021/12/14/ukraine-commercial-bank-to-test-digital-currency-built-on-stellar/ https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2021/12/14/ukraine-commercia... [2] https://ripple.com/insights/bhutan-advances-financial-inclusion-and-sustainability-with-ripples-cbdc-solution/ https://ripple.com/insights/bhutan-advances-financial-inclus...
fdsklfdsklfj 5y ago
Mining Dogecoins and solving protein folding add the same value to society after all.
- oriolid 5y ago
  This is an interesting conclusion and I'd like to hear some reasoning behind it.
  - martin8412 5y ago
    It's sarcasm
    - rixed 5y ago
      Hopefully oriolid's comment was, too?
      - oriolid 5y ago
        The British understatement variant.
- bitxbitxbitcoin 5y ago
  Dogecoin mining hasn’t been done on GPUs for many many years now.
- boppo1 5y ago
  Could we use protien folding calculations for proof of work?
  - tsimionescu 5y ago
    No, because those risk being easy in certain cases, and thus making the whole thing insecure.

joelbondurant 5y ago

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agumonkey 5y ago

I sincerely wonder what is coming out datacenter mining these days.. what do companies do more that requires so much power ?

dehrmann 5y ago

The answer to the original question is "yes," but growth of ML and covid supply chain issues are also to blame.