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United States IPv6 adoption over 50%
- safaci2000 5y agoThat's great to hear, now if only Google's cloud offerings were also a bit more IPv6 friendly. for example: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59856468/does-gcp-allow-vm-to-have-internal-or-external-ipv6-address-to-vm-instances https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59856468/does-gcp-allow-...
- colanderman 5y agoNaming and shaming: still not available on RCN.
- pathartl 5y agoI wish my fiber ISP was part of that 50%. But nope, here I am behind a CGNAT and was promised IPv6 adoption about a year ago. Unfortunately the only other options in my area (downtown Milwaukee) are some form of wireless, DSL, or Spectrum. Don't get me wrong, even though my speeds are only about 50% of spec (gigabit symmetric), the upload speed alone is a reason to avoid any other provider. I'm also paying about $25/m less than the equivalent download on Spectrum.
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- lnxg33k1 5y agoSo my italian ISP, gives me FTTH, 1gb/s down , 300mb/s up but has 10/10 for ipv6 https://i.imgur.com/lhz4RJy.png https://i.imgur.com/lhz4RJy.png I would rather have 700mb/s more for upload than ipv6 to be honest (only thing I also have public/static ipv4, so maybe that I wouldn't give up ^^)
- boardwaalk 5y agoYou get different speeds for IPv6…? Whatever’s going on internally there has to be a mess of old and new software and hardware.
- q3k 5y agoNah, just not bothering to set up IPv6 peering sessions.
- daxuak 5y agoSo does mine. The only v6 option is comcast and I'm not switching.
- lnxg33k1 5y agoShit Italy adoption sucks, that's so curious like I am 34 years old now but I think I've used IPv6 since I was like 13-14 years old, with tunnels like sixxs and before that there was also another one I forgot the name of, now my italian provider (fastweb fiber) supports it natively, but yeah just wondering now, we sometimes say that tech world changes fast, but can you imagine like how long things like ipv6 have been around, and still haven't had much of an impact from a practical point of view? Like I have a book of abount 150 pages that talks about IPv6, can you imagine that like every year I have to read it again because I just can't seem to retain the knowledge? Not just if it is just like something like XML too focused on machine and not very human friendly, or if it is like unmnemonic, or that you don't get in contact with it ever.. it's so curious for me
- zamadatix 5y agoBefore everyone laments their ISP is part of the slow half remember the majority of this migration is still driven by the switch to users browsing on mobile device networks rather than a traditional desktop on a hardline. E.g. T-Mobile is IPv6 only for a number of years now, using 464XLAT to let customers access IPv4 only services. Also I'll throw in the standard "HN is still v4 only" :).
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- usr1106 5y agoWhat is the idea of 464XLAT? We have IoT style devices using AWS. And IPv6 has long not really been available on AWS. Yeah, it has become a bit better the last 3-5 years. So we have not really worked on IPv6 for our devices either. The kernel would support it, but our user space just does not use it. The typical excuse, someone else hasn't done their homework first... Our devices work just fine with T-Mobile US SIMs. I assume you were referring to US? So where is the IPv6 only aspect?
- zamadatix 5y agoIn 464XLAT something on the client side (be it say Android phone itself or TMobile home router) acts as a CLAT to translate local v4 to v6. On the T-Mobile egress it'll act as a PLAT and convert back. There is some other glue to make these two work together. They had a good NANOG talk on it a few years back https://youtu.be/Xl-hIyZSAmA https://youtu.be/Xl-hIyZSAmA For other offerings like NB-IoT or business PCN you're still able to do either it's just the normal consumer services that were pushed to v6 only service. Though I'm not sure if there are still any legacy connectivity options that will fallback to v4.
- usr1106 5y agoThat's interesting. We use a Sierra Wireless EM 7455 (IIRC, not in work mode now...) with generic global firmware. I am 100% sure our software performs no 4 to 6 translation. So it would need to be in the modem. But that would mean it needs to be a standardized operator-independent protocol. Never heard that such thing exists. > I'm not sure if there are still any legacy connectivity options that will fallback to v4. That sounds the most likely option to me. PS. Not able to watch the video now. Hope not to forget at a more suitable moment.
- wnevets 5y agoI wonder what percentage of that is mobile traffic .
- vidanay 5y agoAbout 5 years ago, I asked the owner of my fixed wireless ISP if he was planning to support IPv6 and I received a 500 word email rant about the uselessness of v6. I haven't asked again. (I still get a 0/10 score at https://test-ipv6.com/ https://test-ipv6.com/)
- sneak 5y agoThere is a lot of cultural inertia that instantly biases against anything new in sysadmin/netadmin circles. It's super annoying, tbh. A subset of technologists only seem comfortable with the technology that was available when they were 18-24, regardless of how old they get. "What's this? I never needed it before, what's the sysctl to turn it off?"
- zorked 5y agoJust witness the pitchfork army whenever systemd is mentioned.
- dijit 5y agoJust don’t want it forced on me and by its nature it becomes a hard dependency over time, thus, it does. I’m not interested in another argument but calling my position “pitchforks” is a bit disengenuous and irritating (which is why I’m replying, off-topic, to you). While I think it has something to offer I would like potentially better alternatives to be able to exist in future, this is not “pitchforks”.
- Gigachad 5y ago>Just don’t want it forced on me and by its nature it becomes a hard dependency over time, thus, it does. systemd is the choice of basically everyone who builds distros, so of course it's going to be hard to avoid unless you volunteer to do all of that work yourself. When you take work from someone else, that comes with taking on the choices that they make.
- bilal4hmed 5y ago0/10 for Xfinity as well on test-ipv6
- btbuilder 5y agoI’ve used ipv6 on xfinity for years, but I do use my own equipment. Unless there are regional differences it’s important to make sure it is set up right in your router.
- bilal4hmed 5y agooh damn, let me check on my router then
- tesin 5y agoYou're absolutely right. I'm in the same situation. 10/10 ipv6, but it took a lot of configuration. I'm sure if the parent commenter connected their device directly to their modem via ethernet they'd find they had a functioning ipv6 address. Comcast is terrible for lots of reasons, ipv6 isn't one of them.
- bilal4hmed 5y agoexactly what happened. I had ipv6 disabled on my amplifi router, quick switch and its all systems go
- jacob019 5y agoWhile I generally hate comcast, xfinity has good ipv6 support. It may be an issue with your router configuration.
- etbusch 5y agoXfinity provides /64 prefixes to their customers. There must be some missing configuration on your router. I have a 10/10 score.
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- eximius 5y agoI'm pretty sure I have IPv6, I just haven't figured out how to set it up on my Mikrotik router :/
- cbdumas 5y agoI got IPv6 working via 6rd on my Mikrotik router a few weeks ago following this forum post https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=160314#p788221 https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=160314#p788221 If you don't need a tunnel it should be pretty painless, just set up firewall rules and enable IPv6 forwarding
- diegocg 5y agoIn Facebook stats, the USA percentage is even higher (59%)
- Hamuko 5y agoMight be that more people use Facebook on their phones. I'd guess Google is more representative of overall Internet usage.
- jachee 5y agoAlas most Verizon Fios customers are still out of luck.
- stock_toaster 5y agoCenturylink has pretty marginal 6rd (also pretty slow). Maybe they will go dual stack someday.
- scoopertrooper 5y agoAm I the only one that hates IPv6 ergonomics? I have to transcribe IPv4 addresses all the time, I'd hate to try and do it with a 128 bit address. Could they not have gone with 64 bit addresses, was 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 addresses really not enough?
- londons_explore 5y agoHalf the bits are unusable anyway...
- lnxg33k1 5y agoAs said in another reply, I've been in contact with IPv6 for like 20 years and every year I have to understand it again I fully agree with you and would even say that even 48 bits could have done something with 281,474,976,710,656 values possible
- jacob019 5y agoSLAAC works well and wouldn't without a >= 64 bit subnet. In a typical /64 assignment, the ipv6 equivalent of the 32-bit ipv4 public ip is the 64-bit prefix, I think squaring the address space is appropriate.
- Latty 5y agoMaybe a bit glib, but I see this as a good thing: a reason to finally fix whatever process requires you to transcribe IP addresses, which is a pain to do even with v4 ones.
- stingraycharles 5y agoDefinitely not a pain for a LAN. Case in point: navigating to your router’s web interface. Very easy to do with IPv4 to do, a pain with IPv6. As my home router only supports stateless auto configuration, it’s an additional friction point to have stable addresses. Oh, and since the /56 is assigned by my ISP, it sometimes changes, so I can’t just rely on addresses being stable. I’m not saying that IPv6 is necessarily bad — we _need_ the extra address space! - but it definitely requires a different way of working and I haven’t completely cracked that nut myself yet. I’m almost at the point that I’m just considering using NAT with IPv6, but I fear the IP gods will spell an evil curse on me if I dare to do that.
- ericj5 5y agowe only need to get to 70% adoption before the rest of us get it via herd immunity. won’t be long now
- Gigachad 5y agoAt some %, some people will opt for cheaper v6 only VPSs. Perhaps hosting in countries starved of addresses will switch to v6 only as well. Or all v4 addresses will get given to servers and all consumers will be on some translation layer.
- Hamuko 5y agoMy ISP is apparently going to adopt IPv6 for fixed connections this year, so something to look forwards to. I think they've already had them for years for wireless.
- tills13 5y agoWhat's with the cyclical "Ebb and Flow" of IPv6 if you select "IPv6 Adoption" and zoom in?
- wmf 5y agoPeople have IPv6 at home but not at work (or though the work VPN these days).
- z0f 5y agoReally evident if you zoom in a bit and look at March/April 2020, v6 usage stops dipping as hard during weekdays.
- modeless 5y agoThe peaks are Saturdays because consumer connections are more likely to be v6 than business connections.
- bratao 5y agoRemainder that Cloudflare when using HCaptcha bot verification still do not support IPV6. It is impossible to solve it when you have a IPv6-only connection.
- mrfusion 5y agoWhat percent adoption do we need to see all the benefits like my goldfish getting its own IP address? Will we stop using NAT soon?
- dogmatism 5y agoNow if only it wouldn’t be dynamic…
- aylmao 5y agoThis map categorizes Mexico as Central America. How does anyone get this wrong in 2021?
- p1mrx 5y agoThe definition comes from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_M49 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_M49 region code 013.
- herpderperator 5y agoWhat do they mean by latency -10ms?
- zamadatix 5y agoThat's latency impact (vs v4) not just latency. -10 would mean IPv6 connections typically had better latency than IPv4 connections. This was more an concern during the early days of IPv6 deployment.
- herpderperator 5y agoExactly, but we are not in the early days anymore. So how is, in today's world, v6 "10ms faster" than v4? ISPs didn't magically create v6-only exchanges that happen to be in a more direct path to Google.
- kevincox 5y agoIt is likely that the CGNATs are slower when doing translation to IPv4 rather than just passing (with some filtering) IPv6. 10ms does seem like a lot though. Maybe a remote lookup? Or something to do with prefering IPv6 with a small delay (happy eyeballs related?)
- Dagger2 5y agoThey're rounding the numbers, so presumably it could be anywhere from 5ms to 15ms. Some ISPs (I'm thinking of T-Mobile, but presumably they aren't the only one) centralize their CGNAT routers, whereas v6 traffic is handed off more locally since it doesn't need to be NATed. v4 traffic may need to travel further on those ISPs.
- zamadatix 5y agoAs a clarification the more we are not in the early days anymore the lower the IPv6 latency is expected to be so being this far along is a supporting reason not a how come. It's likely not the peering points creating the difference at this stage. Initially they created a difference in favor of v4, now they are about equal, and later they will create a difference in favor of v6. For the moment the directness of v6 to being routed out vs v4 being sent to some centralized translation entity then being routed out is the likely culprit. Particularly since these numbers are driven primarily by mobile carriers who sometimes don't even have native v4 to the end user at all.
- bdd 5y agoFWIW as a content provider to mobile heavy eyeball networks, Facebook has been clocking US v6 adoption consistently over 50% since Sep 2018. Traffic stats encompass all Facebook properties, FB, Instagram, WhatsApp (hence India topping adoption charts), Oculus, and all smaller things that used some kind service delivery tech of Facebook infrastructure (DNS, web—not limited to CDN, MQTT, etc) https://www.facebook.com/ipv6/?tab=ipv6_country https://www.facebook.com/ipv6/?tab=ipv6_country
- fnord77 5y agoheh, my home Google Fiber/Webpass still doesn't have IPv6
- fnord77 5y agomaybe a silly question - if the internet was 100% ipv6, could we do away with NATs?
- zamadatix 5y agoYes, though realistically there is going to be an extremely long tail of things that need v4<->v6 NAT to get to that point and inevitably someone is going to use v6<->v6 NAT with some odd justification.
- xvilka 5y agoI wonder why Spain has such a low adoption rate (3.46%) compared to its neighbors. Same with Italy.
- usr1106 5y agoI have no answer to that. But I can answer why Finland has a high rate. Mobile connections have IPv6 like in most countries. For fixed ones it's impossible to get for consumer subscriptions. But here fixed networks are being actively shut down. Mobile connections are cheaper and faster. (That does not hold for fiber, but fiber is still not widely available. And with the dominance of mobile I am not sure that this will change quickly.)
- th3iedkid 5y agoReliance Jio is/was a major IPv6 adoption driver in India[1] It was very interesting,on, how many online (web?) services actually supported end-end ipv6 like YouTube or Facebook etc , right when they started . (~2015/2016) [1]https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/materials/slides-109-v6ops-ipv6-only-adoption-challenges-and-standardization-requirements-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/materials/slides-10...
- Dagger2 5y agoDoes it still count if it's Christmas? https://images2.imgbox.com/3a/5b/f3pnu4aG_o.png https://images2.imgbox.com/3a/5b/f3pnu4aG_o.png It's definitely going to drop back below 50% over the next week or two, although I suspect the base level will go over 50% at some point this year.