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The science is murky on whether being vaccinated prevents being infectious. Others have pointed it out and are being flagged. I took JNJ and boosted with Moder

The science is murky on whether being vaccinated prevents being infectious. Others have pointed it out and are being flagged. I took JNJ and boosted with Moderna I want people to choose to get vaxxed but as far as I can tell nobody is out there saying getting vaxxed will prevent you from spreading the disease.

tragictrash 5y ago
The science is not murky at all. If you are vaccinated you can be infected. Have you been watching the news? We are on full lockdown again in my household, because vaccination isn't a guarantee to stop transmission.
- encoderer 5y ago
  That’s not the right question. The right question is: does a vaxxed person have a lower viral load that makes them likely to infect fewer people? If the answer was yes, then vaxxing young kids makes more sense.
  - aycqt 5y ago
  - tragictrash 5y ago
    I disagree. IMO At this point the only tool that can effectively stop transmission is masking, testing,and isolation. In the good old USA we have none of those. I understand that we originally believed the vaccine stopped transmission. It is time to let that go. The vaccine is a tool to reduce the risk of hospitalization and mortality. Whether or not Kids are Less infectious is not a good criteria to evaluate the worthiness of giving kids the vaccine. It protects them and the people around them. Please don't conflate the lack of proper disease controls with evaluating vaccine effectiveness. We need better testing contact tracing and community outreach. We have really miss managed this.
    - nradov 5y ago
      The virus will be around forever. You obviously can't expect people to continue with masking and testing indefinitely.
      - tragictrash 5y ago
        Thank you are in for a big wake-up call
        encoderer 5y ago
        There are many places today in the middle of the pandemic that don’t care about masks. I’m sure some people will choose to mask forever but the mandates will end.
PragmaticPulp 5y ago
> The science is murky on whether being vaccinated prevents being infectious. Others have pointed it out and are being flagged. It’s because they’re being disingenuous. Vaccination reduces infection severity and length. Reduced infection severity reduces coughing, which reduces spread. Reduced infection length gives less time for transmissibility. So even if you can still transmit the virus while vaccinated, there is value in reducing the amount of time you’re infectious and the amount of viral load you’re spreading into the air. It’s not a binary thing, despite what some are trying to suggest.
- encoderer 5y ago
  I hear you but I would need to see that studied to believe it. Possibly vaxxed people are more likely to be asymptomatic and more likely to go out to lunch or something and spread it. Hard to say right?
  - tragictrash 5y ago
    In life there are no guarantees. It reduces transmissibility by shortening the symptoms length and decreasing the viral load. There are studies that indicate exactly what you're looking for. Go find them.
- luckylion 5y ago
  > Vaccination reduces infection severity and length. Reduced infection severity reduces coughing, which reduces spread. Reduced infection length gives less time for transmissibility. At the same time, less severe cases would make ideal spreaders: you're not aware you're infectious and you're not hindered from going out by being sick. I don't think that's a compelling reason for "vaccination reduces spread". Portugal's also doesn't suggest that, currently peaking despite 88% with two vaccinations and 26% with three.
  - tragictrash 5y ago
    The issue here is not with the vaccine. We need better and cheaper test kits. I live in the USA and frankly the response has been a joke. If we had billions of these test kits that were effective and cheap, we would be able to reduce the spread with the latest developments. The vaccine is tool. We need to pick the best tool for the job. Vaccines reduce severity and risk. Talking about Nations peaking, and only talking about the vaccine is like trying to build a house using nails and your bare hands. There is another tool that we need to be effective. It's called testing and I haven't seen 1 Western Country executes successfully on this.
dole 5y ago
I thought if you got an mRNA-based shot like Moderna or Pfizer, you should boost with the same type, JNJ isn’t. Is mixing and matching between the two still effective? (Question directed to anyone) Edit: nm, you should. https://www.cnet.com/health/johnson-and-johnson-covid-booster-omicron-variant/ https://www.cnet.com/health/johnson-and-johnson-covid-booste...
- encoderer 5y ago
  Yes people that got jnj are advised in USA to boost with mRNA vax.
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tragictrash 5y ago

The science is not murky at all. If you are vaccinated you can be infected. Have you been watching the news? We are on full lockdown again in my household, because vaccination isn't a guarantee to stop transmission.

encoderer 5y ago
That’s not the right question. The right question is: does a vaxxed person have a lower viral load that makes them likely to infect fewer people? If the answer was yes, then vaxxing young kids makes more sense.
- aycqt 5y ago
- tragictrash 5y ago
  I disagree. IMO At this point the only tool that can effectively stop transmission is masking, testing,and isolation. In the good old USA we have none of those. I understand that we originally believed the vaccine stopped transmission. It is time to let that go. The vaccine is a tool to reduce the risk of hospitalization and mortality. Whether or not Kids are Less infectious is not a good criteria to evaluate the worthiness of giving kids the vaccine. It protects them and the people around them. Please don't conflate the lack of proper disease controls with evaluating vaccine effectiveness. We need better testing contact tracing and community outreach. We have really miss managed this.
  - nradov 5y ago
    The virus will be around forever. You obviously can't expect people to continue with masking and testing indefinitely.
    - tragictrash 5y ago
      Thank you are in for a big wake-up call
      - encoderer 5y ago
        There are many places today in the middle of the pandemic that don’t care about masks. I’m sure some people will choose to mask forever but the mandates will end.

PragmaticPulp 5y ago

> The science is murky on whether being vaccinated prevents being infectious. Others have pointed it out and are being flagged. It’s because they’re being disingenuous. Vaccination reduces infection severity and length. Reduced infection severity reduces coughing, which reduces spread. Reduced infection length gives less time for transmissibility. So even if you can still transmit the virus while vaccinated, there is value in reducing the amount of time you’re infectious and the amount of viral load you’re spreading into the air. It’s not a binary thing, despite what some are trying to suggest.

encoderer 5y ago
I hear you but I would need to see that studied to believe it. Possibly vaxxed people are more likely to be asymptomatic and more likely to go out to lunch or something and spread it. Hard to say right?
- tragictrash 5y ago
  In life there are no guarantees. It reduces transmissibility by shortening the symptoms length and decreasing the viral load. There are studies that indicate exactly what you're looking for. Go find them.
luckylion 5y ago
> Vaccination reduces infection severity and length. Reduced infection severity reduces coughing, which reduces spread. Reduced infection length gives less time for transmissibility. At the same time, less severe cases would make ideal spreaders: you're not aware you're infectious and you're not hindered from going out by being sick. I don't think that's a compelling reason for "vaccination reduces spread". Portugal's also doesn't suggest that, currently peaking despite 88% with two vaccinations and 26% with three.
- tragictrash 5y ago
  The issue here is not with the vaccine. We need better and cheaper test kits. I live in the USA and frankly the response has been a joke. If we had billions of these test kits that were effective and cheap, we would be able to reduce the spread with the latest developments. The vaccine is tool. We need to pick the best tool for the job. Vaccines reduce severity and risk. Talking about Nations peaking, and only talking about the vaccine is like trying to build a house using nails and your bare hands. There is another tool that we need to be effective. It's called testing and I haven't seen 1 Western Country executes successfully on this.

dole 5y ago

I thought if you got an mRNA-based shot like Moderna or Pfizer, you should boost with the same type, JNJ isn’t. Is mixing and matching between the two still effective? (Question directed to anyone) Edit: nm, you should. https://www.cnet.com/health/johnson-and-johnson-covid-booster-omicron-variant/ https://www.cnet.com/health/johnson-and-johnson-covid-booste...

encoderer 5y ago
Yes people that got jnj are advised in USA to boost with mRNA vax.
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