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I'm fascinated by North Korea. I think the author shouldn't be so smug about seeing through their propaganda. We have such a sophisticated propaganda in the we

I'm fascinated by North Korea. I think the author shouldn't be so smug about seeing through their propaganda. We have such a sophisticated propaganda in the west that it's much harder to see it. In comparison NK propaganda is refreshingly childish, funny I would say.

FpUser 5y ago
>"We have such a sophisticated propaganda in the west" Do not flatter. It is quite visible and primitive.
- xwolfi 5y ago
  Dude the fact you and him even accept the concept of "the west" is a testament to relentless and constant propaganda. That there is a unified front of "mostly white people" all sharing american values, guns and private prison alike. Even China loves this idea of the western "box" they can put me, a French, in to associate all my ideas to every stupid american policies. From Moscow to Los Angeles, everything west of China is divided, subtle and different. There is no west and therefore no western propaganda. And I d say the american propaganda seems to work better than the French one. Where we try convince there is diversity, all you say is that "western propaganda is primitive" :(
  - FpUser 5y ago
    There IS a more or less common understanding about what "Western" in the context mean. You want to waste time arguing semantics - be my guest. I have zero desire.
  - lucian1900 5y ago
    “Western” is a shortcut for the dominant alliance of imperialist countries: US, UK, most of Western Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. Materially also Israel and Japan, but rarely in rhetoric. The concept is used both to critique the imperialist countries and to strengthen their alliance, by different people.
    - nradov 5y ago
      Rather odd to describe Canada and New Zealand as imperialist. How far do their empires extend?
      - lucian1900 5y ago
        Canadian finance capital own a great deal of the worldwide mining operations, if not a majority by now. They extract a great deal of value from poor countries through unequal exchange. New Zealand is a less prolific exporter of capital, but does it all the same.
- jmnicolas 5y ago
  It's very much sophisticated, it has several layers. What you call primitive are only the first layers.
  - FpUser 5y ago
    Big brother, is that you?
throwawaylinux 5y ago
- jd115 5y ago
  What's another example? That the sun rises in the east? Oh, the fools who fall for propaganda!
  - throwawaylinux 5y ago
    Unlike this Korean wall or any evidence that Trump colluded with Putin, you've seen the sun rising in the east.
    - jd115 5y ago
      We must live on different planets. There are literally mountains of evidence publicly available, and many thoroughly researched books by respected lawyers and political scientists on the subject. You can't live in denial of the obvious and at the same time have the chutzpah to accuse others of lacking evidence. Who's the propaganda victim here?
      - throwawaylinux 5y ago
        > We must live on different planets. This was my point. > There are literally mountains of evidence publicly available, and many thoroughly researched books by respected lawyers and political scientists on the subject. The Mueller report didn't find any such mountains. Some of the biggest peddlers of the conspiracy theory have been recently been forced into embarrassing back downs https://nypost.com/2021/11/09/ex-state-dept-spox-slams-schiff-over-russia-probe-on-the-view/ https://nypost.com/2021/11/09/ex-state-dept-spox-slams-schif... > You can't live in denial of the obvious and at the same time have the chutzpah to accuse others of lacking evidence. What I can say for certain is that looking past all the bluster and propaganda and claims of what exists, I have never seen evidence proving Trump colluded with Putin to hack the election. > Who's the propaganda victim here? The people who believe there is evidence Trump/campaign colluded with Russia are.
throw6746 5y ago
> In comparison NK propaganda is refreshingly childish, funny I would say. I think you're yourself falling for North Korea propaganda, the reality there is nothing childish: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-china-sex-slavery-idUSKCN1SQ105 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-china-sex-slav...
- varajelle 5y ago
  I don't see the link between your article and propaganda. That seems unrelated.
  - throw6746 5y ago
    NK propaganda is to portray themselves as "childish and fun" for the outsiders, so they won't look in the abuse they do at home.
    - pydry 5y ago
      A) No they don't B) That wasnt his point.
- interpenetrate 5y ago
  The Korea Future Initiative is unsurprisingly funded by NED, making this article propaganda indeed.
  - scoopertrooper 5y ago
    This is a fairly deceptive statement. The Korea Future Initiative received a grand total of $50,000 (about 16% of its total fundraising) in 2020 from the NED. https://www.ned.org/region/asia/north-korea-2020/ https://www.ned.org/region/asia/north-korea-2020/ https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-search?p_p_id=uk_gov_ccew_onereg_charitydetails_web_portlet_CharityDetailsPortlet&p_p_lifecycle=2&p_p_state=maximized&p_p_mode=view&p_p_resource_id=%2Faccounts-resource&p_p_cacheability=cacheLevelPage&_uk_gov_ccew_onereg_charitydetails_web_portlet_CharityDetailsPortlet_objectiveId=A10908173&_uk_gov_ccew_onereg_charitydetails_web_portlet_CharityDetailsPortlet_priv_r_p_mvcRenderCommandName=%2Faccounts-and-annual-returns&_uk_gov_ccew_onereg_charitydetails_web_portlet_CharityDetailsPortlet_priv_r_p_organisationNumber=5122224 https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/chari...
wayoutthere 5y ago
We’re just brainwashed to support a capitalist system rather than a communist one. We only don’t see the propaganda because we’ve been subjected to it since birth. The fact that Elon Musk has fanboys should tell you all you need to know.
- Garlef 5y ago
  > We only don’t see the propaganda because we’ve been subjected to it since birth. That's precisely the joke here. >> We have such a sophisticated propaganda in the west that it's much harder to see it
hereforphone 5y ago
It's not for lack of trying.
stickfigure 5y ago
It's amazing how every time an article like this comes up, somebody tries to equivocate it with the west. It's not the same. The difference is that if you go around in North Korea (or in China, these days) saying Dear Leader is clown, somebody shows up at your doorstep with guns. Here it's a national sport. The difference is the people with guns. Ask Denise Ho.
- mempko 5y ago
  And yet here we are in the USA with the most prisoners per capita of any country in the world. Turns out we have many people with guns here. The security forces in the US are well funded.

FpUser 5y ago

>"We have such a sophisticated propaganda in the west" Do not flatter. It is quite visible and primitive.

xwolfi 5y ago
Dude the fact you and him even accept the concept of "the west" is a testament to relentless and constant propaganda. That there is a unified front of "mostly white people" all sharing american values, guns and private prison alike. Even China loves this idea of the western "box" they can put me, a French, in to associate all my ideas to every stupid american policies. From Moscow to Los Angeles, everything west of China is divided, subtle and different. There is no west and therefore no western propaganda. And I d say the american propaganda seems to work better than the French one. Where we try convince there is diversity, all you say is that "western propaganda is primitive" :(
- FpUser 5y ago
  There IS a more or less common understanding about what "Western" in the context mean. You want to waste time arguing semantics - be my guest. I have zero desire.
- lucian1900 5y ago
  “Western” is a shortcut for the dominant alliance of imperialist countries: US, UK, most of Western Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. Materially also Israel and Japan, but rarely in rhetoric. The concept is used both to critique the imperialist countries and to strengthen their alliance, by different people.
  - nradov 5y ago
    Rather odd to describe Canada and New Zealand as imperialist. How far do their empires extend?
    - lucian1900 5y ago
      Canadian finance capital own a great deal of the worldwide mining operations, if not a majority by now. They extract a great deal of value from poor countries through unequal exchange. New Zealand is a less prolific exporter of capital, but does it all the same.
jmnicolas 5y ago
It's very much sophisticated, it has several layers. What you call primitive are only the first layers.
- FpUser 5y ago
  Big brother, is that you?

throwawaylinux 5y ago

jd115 5y ago
What's another example? That the sun rises in the east? Oh, the fools who fall for propaganda!
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  Unlike this Korean wall or any evidence that Trump colluded with Putin, you've seen the sun rising in the east.
  - jd115 5y ago
    We must live on different planets. There are literally mountains of evidence publicly available, and many thoroughly researched books by respected lawyers and political scientists on the subject. You can't live in denial of the obvious and at the same time have the chutzpah to accuse others of lacking evidence. Who's the propaganda victim here?
    - throwawaylinux 5y ago
      > We must live on different planets. This was my point. > There are literally mountains of evidence publicly available, and many thoroughly researched books by respected lawyers and political scientists on the subject. The Mueller report didn't find any such mountains. Some of the biggest peddlers of the conspiracy theory have been recently been forced into embarrassing back downs https://nypost.com/2021/11/09/ex-state-dept-spox-slams-schiff-over-russia-probe-on-the-view/ https://nypost.com/2021/11/09/ex-state-dept-spox-slams-schif... > You can't live in denial of the obvious and at the same time have the chutzpah to accuse others of lacking evidence. What I can say for certain is that looking past all the bluster and propaganda and claims of what exists, I have never seen evidence proving Trump colluded with Putin to hack the election. > Who's the propaganda victim here? The people who believe there is evidence Trump/campaign colluded with Russia are.

throw6746 5y ago

> In comparison NK propaganda is refreshingly childish, funny I would say. I think you're yourself falling for North Korea propaganda, the reality there is nothing childish: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-china-sex-slavery-idUSKCN1SQ105 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-china-sex-slav...

varajelle 5y ago
I don't see the link between your article and propaganda. That seems unrelated.
- throw6746 5y ago
  NK propaganda is to portray themselves as "childish and fun" for the outsiders, so they won't look in the abuse they do at home.
  - pydry 5y ago
    A) No they don't B) That wasnt his point.
interpenetrate 5y ago
The Korea Future Initiative is unsurprisingly funded by NED, making this article propaganda indeed.
- scoopertrooper 5y ago
  This is a fairly deceptive statement. The Korea Future Initiative received a grand total of $50,000 (about 16% of its total fundraising) in 2020 from the NED. https://www.ned.org/region/asia/north-korea-2020/ https://www.ned.org/region/asia/north-korea-2020/ https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-search?p_p_id=uk_gov_ccew_onereg_charitydetails_web_portlet_CharityDetailsPortlet&p_p_lifecycle=2&p_p_state=maximized&p_p_mode=view&p_p_resource_id=%2Faccounts-resource&p_p_cacheability=cacheLevelPage&_uk_gov_ccew_onereg_charitydetails_web_portlet_CharityDetailsPortlet_objectiveId=A10908173&_uk_gov_ccew_onereg_charitydetails_web_portlet_CharityDetailsPortlet_priv_r_p_mvcRenderCommandName=%2Faccounts-and-annual-returns&_uk_gov_ccew_onereg_charitydetails_web_portlet_CharityDetailsPortlet_priv_r_p_organisationNumber=5122224 https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/chari...

wayoutthere 5y ago

We’re just brainwashed to support a capitalist system rather than a communist one. We only don’t see the propaganda because we’ve been subjected to it since birth. The fact that Elon Musk has fanboys should tell you all you need to know.

Garlef 5y ago
> We only don’t see the propaganda because we’ve been subjected to it since birth. That's precisely the joke here. >> We have such a sophisticated propaganda in the west that it's much harder to see it

hereforphone 5y ago

It's not for lack of trying.

stickfigure 5y ago

It's amazing how every time an article like this comes up, somebody tries to equivocate it with the west. It's not the same. The difference is that if you go around in North Korea (or in China, these days) saying Dear Leader is clown, somebody shows up at your doorstep with guns. Here it's a national sport. The difference is the people with guns. Ask Denise Ho.

mempko 5y ago
And yet here we are in the USA with the most prisoners per capita of any country in the world. Turns out we have many people with guns here. The security forces in the US are well funded.