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This is actually not true. The entire world has never been more at peace than it ever has been throughout all of human civilization. Crime is down, lifespans ar

This is actually not true. The entire world has never been more at peace than it ever has been throughout all of human civilization. Crime is down, lifespans are longer.... the only thing that I can think of that's definitively worse is wealth inequality. While the world has improved our perception of the world has turned increasing negative. This is mostly because of the media and how the media uses fear to grab attention. But make no mistake, your children and you live in a world that is safer than it ever has been in the history of humankind.

fghgg 5y ago
#dontlookup
- deltaonefour 5y ago
  They want you to be constantly looking at the wrong place.
- systemvoltage 5y ago
  I thought it was ok. Basically left-wing hollywood throwing rocks at the right-wing big-wig corporate culture, which was admittingly quite hilarious. But, 10 mins in and I've already seen 1) Marijuana 2) LGBTQ references 3) Race/Racism points being made. I wish they also added some satire of the progressives.
  - silisili 5y ago
    I tend to think of myself as a bit of a conservative centrist, and thought it did a decent job insulting everyone. Probably the right more than the left, but that's to be expected given who made it. I didn't find the main villain to be right wing. If anything, a BezosZuckerbergMusk conglomeration that acted pretty annoyingly progressive in mannerisms and requests. To me the left was portrayed as social media addicted idiots, and the right as purposefully ignorant idiots(dont look up). In the end, I think someone on either side would end up offended.
silisili 5y ago
Well, I did post it as 'outrageous.' From a zoomed out view, you're right. We've got it pretty sweet. But between COVID, which to this day people can't even agree is a real thing...political divides, worker shortages, etc... it's been a tough year. Crime is up -hugely- this year, especially murders. I see people just routinely running red lights like they don't exist, going 120 down i95, and just don't see cops anymore. I think it's probably a lot to do with media, social media, COVID restrictions and shutdowns, and housing becoming unaffordable... half the people are just at the breaking point all the time this year.
- deltaonefour 5y ago
  Well I assume this thread is looking for things that are "outrageous" but also genuinely believed to be true. If I can easily defeat your belief with an argument is it true? I came here interested in seeing outrageous beliefs and arguments that validate their beliefs enough for deeper examination.
  - silisili 5y ago
    > If I can easily defeat your belief with an argument is it true I do not feel defeated, nor that I no longer believe what I wrote. What I was trying to agree with is that if you step back and look at the good things, life doesn't seem so bad. But at the same time, I still feel like -society- is crumbling. In the US, because I don't experience life in other countries.
jsjsbdkj 5y ago
For people in jobs where real wages haven't kept up with inflation, and where full-time employment isn't available, I would say things are definitely worse than the post-war era. People increasingly cannot afford healthcare, childcare, or even a place to live. The work that is available is being made less safe and more taxing by relentlessly monitoring employees and gutting labour protections. 50 years ago being a taxi driver could be a career, now it's an app where you have to grovel to get 5 star reviews. Working in a warehouse you're measured down to the second on how you move boxes, all day. Nobody knows how bad social media will end up being for society. For all the criticism of the news media, there are incidents all over the world of hate crimes being motivated by social media spreading rumours quickly and widely. The way that likes and retweets exploit the neurochemistry of our brains to make us produce increasingly incendiary content for people we've never met is going to be looked at like asbestos or leaded gasoline in a hundred years.
berberous 5y ago
Wealth inequality may have worsened over the past, say, 20-50 years, but is it really that bad historically? I'd much rather be poor today than 100 years ago.
- deltaonefour 5y ago
  People derive a sense of success not from actual wealth, but from wealth relative to their peers. I'd rather be a rich ancient Chinese emperor then a modern poor person even though a modern poor person has luxuries no ancient Chinese emperor can ever hope to have.
iab 5y ago
I think the “nuclear temperature” is getting hotter, although not at all-time highs
no-dr-onboard 5y ago
tbf, OP did limit his statement to the US, not the world, much less the history of humankind.
- deltaonefour 5y ago
  Well I mean he said the "US is breaking down." When you say something like that I assume there's a reference point for comparison because it's a controversial statement. People have different opinions about whether or not the US is "breaking down" and it's not entirely a crystal clear fact. I feel comparing the US to all of civilization is a fair comparison.
BerislavLopac 5y ago
> The entire world has never been more at peace than it ever has been throughout all of human civilization This statement heavily depends on the definition of "war". I don't have the data, but yes, it might very well be true that we have less armed conflicts going on at the moment than any time before. However, I am convinced that we are currently in an ongoing global war - but this war is very different from the "traditional" ones. Instead of being based on large-scale armed conflicts, it's mainly waging in media, courtrooms, governments, elections and online forums. And the sides in this war are less clearly delineated than we're used to. But the effects of this war are no less real then those of other types of conflicts; just less obvious.
- deltaonefour 5y ago
  >But the effects of this war are no less real then those of other types of conflicts; just less obvious. The greatest effect of war is mass slaughter and death. The actual effect of war is on a different level than even the "woke" movement. A single man named "George Floyd," out of a population of millions dies and the accused officer (who is obviously a racist out to slaughter all black people) is sentenced to prison as a martyr. A lot of people would say from this that society is breaking down. I beg to differ. This is society confused and with too many first world problems to worry about. This is on a very different scale than a machine gun mowing down an entire beach of soldiers on omaha during WW2.

fghgg 5y ago

#dontlookup

deltaonefour 5y ago
They want you to be constantly looking at the wrong place.
systemvoltage 5y ago
I thought it was ok. Basically left-wing hollywood throwing rocks at the right-wing big-wig corporate culture, which was admittingly quite hilarious. But, 10 mins in and I've already seen 1) Marijuana 2) LGBTQ references 3) Race/Racism points being made. I wish they also added some satire of the progressives.
- silisili 5y ago
  I tend to think of myself as a bit of a conservative centrist, and thought it did a decent job insulting everyone. Probably the right more than the left, but that's to be expected given who made it. I didn't find the main villain to be right wing. If anything, a BezosZuckerbergMusk conglomeration that acted pretty annoyingly progressive in mannerisms and requests. To me the left was portrayed as social media addicted idiots, and the right as purposefully ignorant idiots(dont look up). In the end, I think someone on either side would end up offended.

silisili 5y ago

Well, I did post it as 'outrageous.' From a zoomed out view, you're right. We've got it pretty sweet. But between COVID, which to this day people can't even agree is a real thing...political divides, worker shortages, etc... it's been a tough year. Crime is up -hugely- this year, especially murders. I see people just routinely running red lights like they don't exist, going 120 down i95, and just don't see cops anymore. I think it's probably a lot to do with media, social media, COVID restrictions and shutdowns, and housing becoming unaffordable... half the people are just at the breaking point all the time this year.

deltaonefour 5y ago
Well I assume this thread is looking for things that are "outrageous" but also genuinely believed to be true. If I can easily defeat your belief with an argument is it true? I came here interested in seeing outrageous beliefs and arguments that validate their beliefs enough for deeper examination.
- silisili 5y ago
  > If I can easily defeat your belief with an argument is it true I do not feel defeated, nor that I no longer believe what I wrote. What I was trying to agree with is that if you step back and look at the good things, life doesn't seem so bad. But at the same time, I still feel like -society- is crumbling. In the US, because I don't experience life in other countries.

jsjsbdkj 5y ago

For people in jobs where real wages haven't kept up with inflation, and where full-time employment isn't available, I would say things are definitely worse than the post-war era. People increasingly cannot afford healthcare, childcare, or even a place to live. The work that is available is being made less safe and more taxing by relentlessly monitoring employees and gutting labour protections. 50 years ago being a taxi driver could be a career, now it's an app where you have to grovel to get 5 star reviews. Working in a warehouse you're measured down to the second on how you move boxes, all day. Nobody knows how bad social media will end up being for society. For all the criticism of the news media, there are incidents all over the world of hate crimes being motivated by social media spreading rumours quickly and widely. The way that likes and retweets exploit the neurochemistry of our brains to make us produce increasingly incendiary content for people we've never met is going to be looked at like asbestos or leaded gasoline in a hundred years.

berberous 5y ago

Wealth inequality may have worsened over the past, say, 20-50 years, but is it really that bad historically? I'd much rather be poor today than 100 years ago.

deltaonefour 5y ago
People derive a sense of success not from actual wealth, but from wealth relative to their peers. I'd rather be a rich ancient Chinese emperor then a modern poor person even though a modern poor person has luxuries no ancient Chinese emperor can ever hope to have.

iab 5y ago

I think the “nuclear temperature” is getting hotter, although not at all-time highs

no-dr-onboard 5y ago

tbf, OP did limit his statement to the US, not the world, much less the history of humankind.

deltaonefour 5y ago
Well I mean he said the "US is breaking down." When you say something like that I assume there's a reference point for comparison because it's a controversial statement. People have different opinions about whether or not the US is "breaking down" and it's not entirely a crystal clear fact. I feel comparing the US to all of civilization is a fair comparison.

BerislavLopac 5y ago

> The entire world has never been more at peace than it ever has been throughout all of human civilization This statement heavily depends on the definition of "war". I don't have the data, but yes, it might very well be true that we have less armed conflicts going on at the moment than any time before. However, I am convinced that we are currently in an ongoing global war - but this war is very different from the "traditional" ones. Instead of being based on large-scale armed conflicts, it's mainly waging in media, courtrooms, governments, elections and online forums. And the sides in this war are less clearly delineated than we're used to. But the effects of this war are no less real then those of other types of conflicts; just less obvious.

deltaonefour 5y ago
>But the effects of this war are no less real then those of other types of conflicts; just less obvious. The greatest effect of war is mass slaughter and death. The actual effect of war is on a different level than even the "woke" movement. A single man named "George Floyd," out of a population of millions dies and the accused officer (who is obviously a racist out to slaughter all black people) is sentenced to prison as a martyr. A lot of people would say from this that society is breaking down. I beg to differ. This is society confused and with too many first world problems to worry about. This is on a very different scale than a machine gun mowing down an entire beach of soldiers on omaha during WW2.