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This is not at all my experience with snopes. They've been pretty transparent from what I've seen.

by junon 5y ago

hereforphone 5y ago
The issue in my opinion is that there are various, almost-equally "true" perspectives that can be reenforced with facts and presented. That there is no single objective truth to all matters means that biases (political, religious, etc.) act as a lens and the "truth" presented on fact-checking sites (and elsewhere) is shaped by this lens. This is why you can have news organizations with different political slants painting a story two entirely different ways, without directly lying.
- junon 5y ago
  I disagree. There are definitely some things that are completely and entirely false, not left up to speculation. My point was more that Snopes tends to indicate when something isn't clear-cut.
  - evv555 5y ago
    Out of curiosity I googled the current state of articles regarding "Wuhan Lab Leak" theory and potential NIH connection to gain of function research. Both issues that aren't clear-cut but have compelling evidence. None of these articles show the nuance you are claiming they would show.
nradov 5y ago
Except for the time that Snopes fact checked this article as "disputed": "CNN Purchases Industrial-Sized Washing Machine To Spin News Before Publication". (The article was very clearly labeled as satire.) https://twitter.com/Adam4d/status/969405110324523008 https://twitter.com/Adam4d/status/969405110324523008
- junon 5y ago
  1 is a very small sample set.
  - missedthecue 5y ago
    did you really expect someone to have published a peer-reviewed study in a high quality journal about how many times snopes was misleading? The claim was that fact checkers write misleading verdicts with political biases, one example is sufficient enough to verify that claim.
- reaperducer 5y ago
  I liked it better when the internet had a sense of humor.
- bjourne 5y ago
  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cnn-washing-machine/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cnn-washing-machine/ It has the rating "Labeled Satire" not "disputed".
  - nradov 5y ago
    Snopes edited their page after reasonable people pointed out how stupid they looked for fact checking a joke.
    - junon 5y ago
      Snopes exists in large part because idiots can't discern joke/fake from fact. This isn't really Snope's fault. Some people genuinely don't understand satire. We hear about people sharing Onion articles legitimately still.
      - Fnoord 5y ago
        Poe's law. I don't know if we need to call people who fall for that 'idiots'. Do people who fall for April 1st jokes count as 'idiots'? Furthermore, can you cure from being an idiot? We used to April 1st a bit on elementary school. I guess I managed to define some idiots back then.
johncena33 5y ago
Snopes have made lot of dubious and misleading claims on lab leak. Reality is the whole Acitvist Industrial Complex and many elites, who have financial ties w/ China including HN favorites like Apple and Amazon [3][4], are trying to regain control of the narrative they lost because of internet. [1] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cruz-wuhan-tweet/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cruz-wuhan-tweet/ [2] https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/07/16/lab-leak-evidence/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/07/16/lab-leak-evidence/ [3] https://www.macrumors.com/2021/12/07/apple-ceo-tim-cook-secret-deal-with-china/ https://www.macrumors.com/2021/12/07/apple-ceo-tim-cook-secr... [4] https://www.reuters.com/world/china/amazon-partnered-with-china-propaganda-arm-win-beijings-favor-document-shows-2021-12-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china/amazon-partnered-with-ch...
- ramblerman 5y ago
  Lol at 1. > Did COVID-19 Originate in Market 400 Meters From CCP Lab Studying Coronaviruses? False. The wuhan lab for coronaviruses is actually 15km away.
  - maxharris 5y ago
    Hahaha, nice point! Hi, I've been revisiting an old thread from way back in April of 2020, and you are the only person that replied to me that appears to still be active on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22958528 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22958528 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22965328 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22965328 I'm @maxharris9 on Twitter, and I would like to see what every person that replied to me has to say now.
  - johncena33 5y ago
    In my experience, that's how left wing disinformation works. Using rhetorical tricks to mislead the audience. It's even more ironic when most left wing journalists and pundits are followers of Foucault and Derrida.
  - dimator 5y ago
    In this specific example, given the context (that a virus would have a simple time going 400 meters from lab to market via some host), isn't the difference between 400m and 26km valid to point out?

This is not at all my experience with snopes. They've been pretty transparent from what I've seen.

by junon 5y ago

This is not at all my experience with snopes. They've been pretty transparent from what I've seen.

The issue in my opinion is that there are various, almost-equally "true" perspectives that can be reenforced with facts and presented. That there is no single objective truth to all matters means that biases (political, religious, etc.) act as a lens and the "truth" presented on fact-checking sites (and elsewhere) is shaped by this lens. This is why you can have news organizations with different political slants painting a story two entirely different ways, without directly lying.

junon 5y ago
I disagree. There are definitely some things that are completely and entirely false, not left up to speculation. My point was more that Snopes tends to indicate when something isn't clear-cut.
- evv555 5y ago
  Out of curiosity I googled the current state of articles regarding "Wuhan Lab Leak" theory and potential NIH connection to gain of function research. Both issues that aren't clear-cut but have compelling evidence. None of these articles show the nuance you are claiming they would show.

nradov 5y ago

Except for the time that Snopes fact checked this article as "disputed": "CNN Purchases Industrial-Sized Washing Machine To Spin News Before Publication". (The article was very clearly labeled as satire.) https://twitter.com/Adam4d/status/969405110324523008 https://twitter.com/Adam4d/status/969405110324523008

junon 5y ago
1 is a very small sample set.
- missedthecue 5y ago
  did you really expect someone to have published a peer-reviewed study in a high quality journal about how many times snopes was misleading? The claim was that fact checkers write misleading verdicts with political biases, one example is sufficient enough to verify that claim.
reaperducer 5y ago
I liked it better when the internet had a sense of humor.
bjourne 5y ago
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cnn-washing-machine/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cnn-washing-machine/ It has the rating "Labeled Satire" not "disputed".
- nradov 5y ago
  Snopes edited their page after reasonable people pointed out how stupid they looked for fact checking a joke.
  - junon 5y ago
    Snopes exists in large part because idiots can't discern joke/fake from fact. This isn't really Snope's fault. Some people genuinely don't understand satire. We hear about people sharing Onion articles legitimately still.
    - Fnoord 5y ago
      Poe's law. I don't know if we need to call people who fall for that 'idiots'. Do people who fall for April 1st jokes count as 'idiots'? Furthermore, can you cure from being an idiot? We used to April 1st a bit on elementary school. I guess I managed to define some idiots back then.

johncena33 5y ago

Snopes have made lot of dubious and misleading claims on lab leak. Reality is the whole Acitvist Industrial Complex and many elites, who have financial ties w/ China including HN favorites like Apple and Amazon [3][4], are trying to regain control of the narrative they lost because of internet. [1] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cruz-wuhan-tweet/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cruz-wuhan-tweet/ [2] https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/07/16/lab-leak-evidence/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/07/16/lab-leak-evidence/ [3] https://www.macrumors.com/2021/12/07/apple-ceo-tim-cook-secret-deal-with-china/ https://www.macrumors.com/2021/12/07/apple-ceo-tim-cook-secr... [4] https://www.reuters.com/world/china/amazon-partnered-with-china-propaganda-arm-win-beijings-favor-document-shows-2021-12-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china/amazon-partnered-with-ch...

ramblerman 5y ago
Lol at 1. > Did COVID-19 Originate in Market 400 Meters From CCP Lab Studying Coronaviruses? False. The wuhan lab for coronaviruses is actually 15km away.
- maxharris 5y ago
  Hahaha, nice point! Hi, I've been revisiting an old thread from way back in April of 2020, and you are the only person that replied to me that appears to still be active on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22958528 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22958528 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22965328 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22965328 I'm @maxharris9 on Twitter, and I would like to see what every person that replied to me has to say now.
- johncena33 5y ago
  In my experience, that's how left wing disinformation works. Using rhetorical tricks to mislead the audience. It's even more ironic when most left wing journalists and pundits are followers of Foucault and Derrida.
- dimator 5y ago
  In this specific example, given the context (that a virus would have a simple time going 400 meters from lab to market via some host), isn't the difference between 400m and 26km valid to point out?