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California, IIRC, mandates that they provide you the pay range if you ask for it.

by Sebguer 5y ago

jedberg 5y ago
Yeah after the first interview. But that's way different than with the job posting.
gojomo 5y ago
"We're so glad you asked. Our possible range, depending on the candidate, is from minimum wage to $1M/year."
- joshuamorton 5y ago
  If a company answers this way, it is likely that you would succeed on a claim under the California Equal Pay Act. This kind of hair splitting doesn't generally go over well.
  - yucky 5y ago
    >The California Equal Pay Act Does this account for the vastly different levels of output from employees? I would have to imagine nobody believes quality of work and productivity are actually equal amongst coworkers.
    - joshuamorton 5y ago
      If you're paying someone 3x someone else, they're probably doing different jobs, which should have different pay ranges. A range of 20%, or even 50% is probably acceptable for salary (also of note the CA and CO laws only require salary disclosure, performance based bonuses or equity award ranges don't need to be shared) based on performance in a role. A difference of 3x or 10x (or 50x as is the case above) in salary means that the expectations are different.
      - yucky 5y ago
        Using athletics as an example, it's quite common to see the best players making $30+ million/year while their peers doing the same job (albeit not nearly as well) are getting paid half a million. The peer pay differences are less pronounced in other fields, but why would we assume people are "essentially the same" at their output? I have definitely seen full stack developers that are "doing the same job" 3x-5x better than some of their peers in many cases, when you compound quality and efficiency. Not every company has enough people for tiered job rating buckets like Google, Amazon etc.
    - wilde 5y ago
      Pay is more a measure of what the worker is willing to accept than a measure of quality or productivity.
stjohnswarts 5y ago
That seems like a good middle ground. Generally it's one of my opening questions for contracts. I'm honest and say that I don't want to waste anyone's time and get an upfront range and give them some wiggle room.
eyeareque 5y ago
They updated the law: you have to go through at least one interview before they are forced to share it.
- Aeolun 5y ago
  What kind of waste of time is that?
  - rocqua 5y ago
    Prevent people from 'scraping' job postings by manually asking for salary range.

California, IIRC, mandates that they provide you the pay range if you ask for it.

jedberg 5y ago

Yeah after the first interview. But that's way different than with the job posting.

gojomo 5y ago

"We're so glad you asked. Our possible range, depending on the candidate, is from minimum wage to $1M/year."

joshuamorton 5y ago
If a company answers this way, it is likely that you would succeed on a claim under the California Equal Pay Act. This kind of hair splitting doesn't generally go over well.
- yucky 5y ago
  >The California Equal Pay Act Does this account for the vastly different levels of output from employees? I would have to imagine nobody believes quality of work and productivity are actually equal amongst coworkers.
  - joshuamorton 5y ago
    If you're paying someone 3x someone else, they're probably doing different jobs, which should have different pay ranges. A range of 20%, or even 50% is probably acceptable for salary (also of note the CA and CO laws only require salary disclosure, performance based bonuses or equity award ranges don't need to be shared) based on performance in a role. A difference of 3x or 10x (or 50x as is the case above) in salary means that the expectations are different.
    - yucky 5y ago
      Using athletics as an example, it's quite common to see the best players making $30+ million/year while their peers doing the same job (albeit not nearly as well) are getting paid half a million. The peer pay differences are less pronounced in other fields, but why would we assume people are "essentially the same" at their output? I have definitely seen full stack developers that are "doing the same job" 3x-5x better than some of their peers in many cases, when you compound quality and efficiency. Not every company has enough people for tiered job rating buckets like Google, Amazon etc.
  - wilde 5y ago
    Pay is more a measure of what the worker is willing to accept than a measure of quality or productivity.

stjohnswarts 5y ago

That seems like a good middle ground. Generally it's one of my opening questions for contracts. I'm honest and say that I don't want to waste anyone's time and get an upfront range and give them some wiggle room.

eyeareque 5y ago

They updated the law: you have to go through at least one interview before they are forced to share it.

Aeolun 5y ago
What kind of waste of time is that?
- rocqua 5y ago
  Prevent people from 'scraping' job postings by manually asking for salary range.