Yeah, I hesitate a little there. There are a lot of PhD programs and doctoral students. Most of them are bad. But that's true of everything. If we focus on the

Yeah, I hesitate a little there. There are a lot of PhD programs and doctoral students. Most of them are bad. But that's true of everything. If we focus on the positive outcome for a good student, those are the two things I think distinguishes someone from a doctorate from someone without.