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But this isn't noise pollution. This is noise that serves a safety purpose and is being created deliberately for that purpose. Should we make fire alarms quie

But this isn't noise pollution. This is noise that serves a safety purpose and is being created deliberately for that purpose. Should we make fire alarms quiet so that people outside the burning building are not inconvenienced? Shall we stop the little beeping noise at crosswalks because not all of us are blind? Abate the noise. Put up barriers. Don't sacrifice the safety of workers for your peace and quiet. The time for such debates is before work begins. Complain at the zoning committee that issued the permits for the construction. Demand that your peace and quiet is more important than allowing new construction or a new business in the area. Demand a proper mitigation plan. Demand that they soundproof surrounding buildings. Don't show up mid-construction and ask people to disable the safety alarms.

matkoniecz 5y ago
Deliberate noise does not mean that it is not a noise pollution, in the same way as light pollution can be caused by deliberately emitted light. If I hear machinery 300m away and 20m lower then at this point it is a pure noise pollution with zero benefit to me[0]. And if it can be made less noticeable from far away without damage to safety then it should be done right now. > Complain at the zoning committee that issued the permits for the construction. Demand that your peace and quiet is more important than allowing new construction or a new business in the area. Making better safety systems is preferable to NIMBYism. ------------- [0] With possible exception for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucket-wheel_excavator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucket-wheel_excavator but I am not convinced that beeping would help if I would manage to miss THAT. And if I have Bagger 293 in my room then things already went really wrong and weird.
- DarylZero 5y ago
  Those things can travel as fast as 0.37 mph so they can sneak up on you.
shados 5y ago
The smoke coming out of a coal powerplant exists for a good reason. Its still pollution. The fire alarm example is a bad one. They don't go off hundreds of times a day for hours on end. If they did, yes, we'd need a different solution. The construction project across my street has been going on for 6 years. 6 years of beep beep beep beep. There is technology and solutions that serve the same safety purpose but do it better. We can use directional beeper alarms, they can use different noise patterns and frequencies that are more easily blocked by windows and are easier to hear by people near by. They don't need to be as loud, too. There's no reason a backup alarm needs to be audible from 5 blocks in FRONT of the truck when its going BACKWARD. > Don't show up mid-construction and ask people to disable the safety alarms. What kind of strawman is this? Folks are asking for better safety code so that future construction can be handled safer with less disturbance. Not asking for a truck on a construction site right now turn off the alarm.

matkoniecz 5y ago

Deliberate noise does not mean that it is not a noise pollution, in the same way as light pollution can be caused by deliberately emitted light. If I hear machinery 300m away and 20m lower then at this point it is a pure noise pollution with zero benefit to me[0]. And if it can be made less noticeable from far away without damage to safety then it should be done right now. > Complain at the zoning committee that issued the permits for the construction. Demand that your peace and quiet is more important than allowing new construction or a new business in the area. Making better safety systems is preferable to NIMBYism. ------------- [0] With possible exception for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucket-wheel_excavator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucket-wheel_excavator but I am not convinced that beeping would help if I would manage to miss THAT. And if I have Bagger 293 in my room then things already went really wrong and weird.

DarylZero 5y ago
Those things can travel as fast as 0.37 mph so they can sneak up on you.

shados 5y ago

The smoke coming out of a coal powerplant exists for a good reason. Its still pollution. The fire alarm example is a bad one. They don't go off hundreds of times a day for hours on end. If they did, yes, we'd need a different solution. The construction project across my street has been going on for 6 years. 6 years of beep beep beep beep. There is technology and solutions that serve the same safety purpose but do it better. We can use directional beeper alarms, they can use different noise patterns and frequencies that are more easily blocked by windows and are easier to hear by people near by. They don't need to be as loud, too. There's no reason a backup alarm needs to be audible from 5 blocks in FRONT of the truck when its going BACKWARD. > Don't show up mid-construction and ask people to disable the safety alarms. What kind of strawman is this? Folks are asking for better safety code so that future construction can be handled safer with less disturbance. Not asking for a truck on a construction site right now turn off the alarm.