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Pirated content doesn't need ads because they steal the work of people who do.

by TchoBeer 5y ago

jackthezipper 5y ago
It's not stealing it's sharing.
- TchoBeer 5y ago
  Pirates don't pay media companies to produce media
  - peoplefromibiza 5y ago
    Let's not pretend that media companies are givers though... https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/tv-film-composers-say-netflix-streaming-services-insist-buying-music-rights-1261940/ https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/tv-film-co... https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/oct/26/squid-games-creator-rich-netflix-bonus-hwang-dong-hyuk https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/oct/26/squid-g... https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-57838473 https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-57838473 https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-57382459 https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-57382459 https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/scarlett-johansson-sues-disney-over-black-widow-streaming-release-11627579278 https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/scarlett-johansson-sues-dis... https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-56815282 https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-56815282 Also, streaming services are swimming in cash and using it to monopolize the market, instead of rewarding creators.
    - acdha 5y ago
      I’m far from a proponent of the big media companies but isn’t this argument basically “my theft is okay because they’ve stolen too”? Arguing that those companies are abusive seems like a much stronger argument for watching something else or voting for legal reforms, not taking advantage of other people’s work without compensation.
      - peoplefromibiza 5y ago
        would you download a car? theft is when you take something from someone, when you download a movie, Netflix users can still watch it, Netflix can still stream it and they don't lose anything. In fact their profits have gone up, despite helping piracy by releasing more and more content easily sharable outside of their platforms. Netflix alone made 7.5 billions in the third quarter of 2021, up from 6.4 billions in the third of 2020. someone really believes that leaks are unfortunate? have you seen a single image leaked from the next Indiana Jones movie? Do you know the title?No? you know why? because they'll work next year on the post production and are keeping everything under rigorous control. leaks will be useful only when they are ready to launch. When Luca..ehm Disney wants to take secrecy seriously, they absolutely can and will. Anyway: I pay for prime video, because it's included with prime. I rarely watch other streaming services nor download their content. Last exception was Foundation from Apple, thank god I did not pay for that! Usually it works like this: I wanna watch an old movie, say Total Recall, some streaming service bought it for Christmas or whatever occasion together with all Schwarzenegger movie, to release a "member berry" bundle I probably already have it, ripped from DVD, when it comes out I download it again because I'll probably find the x265 version which is smaller or the 2160p (or 1080p) restored version.
        ryandrake 5y ago
        > would you download a car? If someone ever one day invents the Star Trek replicator, it would end scarcity of physical goods overnight! This would be an amazing thing for humanity (and would likely be opposed/outlawed by the same moneyed interests that oppose the sharing of non-physical goods). This hypothetical invention would utterly change humanity for the better. I would download a car! No question. If the alternative is needlessly spending money on the exact same product, of course I would, and so would nearly everyone posting here. What an absurd campaign that was! In a world without physical good scarcity, there would be nothing ethically wrong with doing it. Oh, and we’ve only been talking about cars and movies—luxury goods. Notice how the argument is never “would you download food?” Or “would you download insulin?” I think even EvilStudioExec might have a hard time arguing against downloading necessities or life-saving medicine.
peoplefromibiza 5y ago
I like to think that it's people taking from corporations, while UGC is corporations taking from people, spamming them with ads, monetizing their hobbies and selling their personal data. anyway, if I pay for Netflix who has produced their own content, why should I also watch the ads for other Netflix content? Isn't it enough to pay for it?
- pbhjpbhj 5y ago
  You get ads on Netflix? Which country are you in?
  - peoplefromibiza 5y ago
    Italy
  - vetinari 5y ago
    You don't get the pre-roll ads? A button to skip them eventually appears, but it is still annoying.
    - acdha 5y ago
      Not here in the U.S.
      - jen20 5y ago
        I definitely see them in the US. Trailers are just as unacceptable as ads.
        notreallyserio 5y ago
        What shows or movies have you seen trigger pre-roll ads on Netflix? I'm in the US and have never seen one.
        vetinari 5y ago

Pirated content doesn't need ads because they steal the work of people who do.

jackthezipper 5y ago

It's not stealing it's sharing.

TchoBeer 5y ago
Pirates don't pay media companies to produce media
- peoplefromibiza 5y ago
  Let's not pretend that media companies are givers though... https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/tv-film-composers-say-netflix-streaming-services-insist-buying-music-rights-1261940/ https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/tv-film-co... https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/oct/26/squid-games-creator-rich-netflix-bonus-hwang-dong-hyuk https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/oct/26/squid-g... https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-57838473 https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-57838473 https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-57382459 https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-57382459 https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/scarlett-johansson-sues-disney-over-black-widow-streaming-release-11627579278 https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/scarlett-johansson-sues-dis... https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-56815282 https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-56815282 Also, streaming services are swimming in cash and using it to monopolize the market, instead of rewarding creators.
  - acdha 5y ago
    I’m far from a proponent of the big media companies but isn’t this argument basically “my theft is okay because they’ve stolen too”? Arguing that those companies are abusive seems like a much stronger argument for watching something else or voting for legal reforms, not taking advantage of other people’s work without compensation.
    - peoplefromibiza 5y ago
      would you download a car? theft is when you take something from someone, when you download a movie, Netflix users can still watch it, Netflix can still stream it and they don't lose anything. In fact their profits have gone up, despite helping piracy by releasing more and more content easily sharable outside of their platforms. Netflix alone made 7.5 billions in the third quarter of 2021, up from 6.4 billions in the third of 2020. someone really believes that leaks are unfortunate? have you seen a single image leaked from the next Indiana Jones movie? Do you know the title?No? you know why? because they'll work next year on the post production and are keeping everything under rigorous control. leaks will be useful only when they are ready to launch. When Luca..ehm Disney wants to take secrecy seriously, they absolutely can and will. Anyway: I pay for prime video, because it's included with prime. I rarely watch other streaming services nor download their content. Last exception was Foundation from Apple, thank god I did not pay for that! Usually it works like this: I wanna watch an old movie, say Total Recall, some streaming service bought it for Christmas or whatever occasion together with all Schwarzenegger movie, to release a "member berry" bundle I probably already have it, ripped from DVD, when it comes out I download it again because I'll probably find the x265 version which is smaller or the 2160p (or 1080p) restored version.
      - ryandrake 5y ago
        > would you download a car? If someone ever one day invents the Star Trek replicator, it would end scarcity of physical goods overnight! This would be an amazing thing for humanity (and would likely be opposed/outlawed by the same moneyed interests that oppose the sharing of non-physical goods). This hypothetical invention would utterly change humanity for the better. I would download a car! No question. If the alternative is needlessly spending money on the exact same product, of course I would, and so would nearly everyone posting here. What an absurd campaign that was! In a world without physical good scarcity, there would be nothing ethically wrong with doing it. Oh, and we’ve only been talking about cars and movies—luxury goods. Notice how the argument is never “would you download food?” Or “would you download insulin?” I think even EvilStudioExec might have a hard time arguing against downloading necessities or life-saving medicine.

peoplefromibiza 5y ago

I like to think that it's people taking from corporations, while UGC is corporations taking from people, spamming them with ads, monetizing their hobbies and selling their personal data. anyway, if I pay for Netflix who has produced their own content, why should I also watch the ads for other Netflix content? Isn't it enough to pay for it?

pbhjpbhj 5y ago
You get ads on Netflix? Which country are you in?
- peoplefromibiza 5y ago
  Italy
- vetinari 5y ago
  You don't get the pre-roll ads? A button to skip them eventually appears, but it is still annoying.
  - acdha 5y ago
    Not here in the U.S.
    - jen20 5y ago
      I definitely see them in the US. Trailers are just as unacceptable as ads.
      - notreallyserio 5y ago
        What shows or movies have you seen trigger pre-roll ads on Netflix? I'm in the US and have never seen one.
        vetinari 5y ago