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> It's time to call out this nonsense for the complete horseshit nonsense that it is. Having non-stop sanitary edicts and booster shots every three months is n

> It's time to call out this nonsense for the complete horseshit nonsense that it is. Having non-stop sanitary edicts and booster shots every three months is not really a long-term sustainable policy either.

pm90 5y ago
Actually it is, and the boosters came in every 6 months. Getting to a high (like over 95%) vaccination worldwide would also prevent the creation of more variants. There are quite clearly solutions that will work; what lacks is political will (and disinformation spread by selfish people and politicians).
- TeeMassive 5y ago
  > Getting to a high (like over 95%) vaccination worldwide would also prevent the creation of more variants. Maybe if we're getting a vaccine that provides immunity like the Polio one does and that we're vaccinating 100% of people in a few days and we're getting rid of all animal reservoirs of the virus at the same time, which is just near impossible given the cost and the logistics, maybe the virus could be eradicated. Maybe. Also it is environmental pressures that drive viruses to mutate and create variants. If the virus escapes the vaccines than there is a great deal of change that it is the vaccinated that favored the vaccine resistant strains. In fact one of the first most contagious strains were noticed in India a few weeks after the beginning of their vaccination program. It is impossible to say what causes a mutation to arise, but to say that it is 100% sure that the non-vaccinated are responsible for the variants is simply based on nothing tangible.
  - pm90 5y ago
    I don’t think you’re making any cogent points or actually refuting what I said.
    - TeeMassive 5y ago
      It's ironic given that you're doing exactly that.
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- nradov 5y ago
  That is not scientifically accurate. While I encourage everyone eligible to get vaccinated, the current thinking is that new variants are most likely to evolve in immunocompromised patients who experience prolonged infections. Vaccines are less effective for those people. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-variants-may-arise-in-people-with-compromised-immune-systems/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-variants-ma...
  - pm90 5y ago
    If you get enough people vaccinated, it would prevent the various variants from reaching so many immunocompromised individuals. The reason we get so many variants is because there are enough unvaccinated individuals that the virus is able to rip through billions of individuals.
    - nradov 5y ago
      That is not scientifically accurate. While I encourage everyone eligible to get vaccinated, that will not prevent the virus from reaching immunocompromised individuals. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...
      - pm90 5y ago
        Saying something is not scientifically accurate is a bold claim to make and the evidence that you’ve provided are opinion pieces that don’t support that claim, so stop doing that.
        nradov 5y ago
        If you actually read the articles and then look at the underlying sources you will see that everything I stated is correct. I won't stop correcting your dangerous misinformation.

pm90 5y ago

Actually it is, and the boosters came in every 6 months. Getting to a high (like over 95%) vaccination worldwide would also prevent the creation of more variants. There are quite clearly solutions that will work; what lacks is political will (and disinformation spread by selfish people and politicians).

TeeMassive 5y ago
> Getting to a high (like over 95%) vaccination worldwide would also prevent the creation of more variants. Maybe if we're getting a vaccine that provides immunity like the Polio one does and that we're vaccinating 100% of people in a few days and we're getting rid of all animal reservoirs of the virus at the same time, which is just near impossible given the cost and the logistics, maybe the virus could be eradicated. Maybe. Also it is environmental pressures that drive viruses to mutate and create variants. If the virus escapes the vaccines than there is a great deal of change that it is the vaccinated that favored the vaccine resistant strains. In fact one of the first most contagious strains were noticed in India a few weeks after the beginning of their vaccination program. It is impossible to say what causes a mutation to arise, but to say that it is 100% sure that the non-vaccinated are responsible for the variants is simply based on nothing tangible.
- pm90 5y ago
  I don’t think you’re making any cogent points or actually refuting what I said.
  - TeeMassive 5y ago
    It's ironic given that you're doing exactly that.
    - deleted 5y ago
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nradov 5y ago
That is not scientifically accurate. While I encourage everyone eligible to get vaccinated, the current thinking is that new variants are most likely to evolve in immunocompromised patients who experience prolonged infections. Vaccines are less effective for those people. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-variants-may-arise-in-people-with-compromised-immune-systems/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-variants-ma...
- pm90 5y ago
  If you get enough people vaccinated, it would prevent the various variants from reaching so many immunocompromised individuals. The reason we get so many variants is because there are enough unvaccinated individuals that the virus is able to rip through billions of individuals.
  - nradov 5y ago
    That is not scientifically accurate. While I encourage everyone eligible to get vaccinated, that will not prevent the virus from reaching immunocompromised individuals. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...
    - pm90 5y ago
      Saying something is not scientifically accurate is a bold claim to make and the evidence that you’ve provided are opinion pieces that don’t support that claim, so stop doing that.
      - nradov 5y ago
        If you actually read the articles and then look at the underlying sources you will see that everything I stated is correct. I won't stop correcting your dangerous misinformation.