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I have a framework and love it. The major downside are the speakers. https://erock.io/2021/11/01/framework-vs-mbp.html https://erock.io/2021/11/01/framework-vs

by qudat 5y ago

I have a framework and love it. The major downside are the speakers. https://erock.io/2021/11/01/framework-vs-mbp.html https://erock.io/2021/11/01/framework-vs-mbp.html

wildrhythms 5y ago
I have a Framework laptop and a M1 Air. I didn't see this mentioned in your rundown, which was very nicely written and I agree with every point, but going from a fanless M1 Air to a laptop with a fan, that seems to constantly run much hotter despite doing a fraction of the tasks of my Air, is a real disappointment. I'm not sure if this is a consequence of Pop_OS (my current Framework-friendly distro), the Intel CPU, the heat management system, or some combination of those, but it's very noticeable and makes me realize how much more 'premium' (as you put it) the Macbook is. I'm typing this on my M1 Air driving a 4k display with no fan, and no heat.
- noahtallen 5y ago
  From my understanding and experience, that’s the M1 difference. Intel MacBooks, while also very premium, are known for their heat issues! Thermal throttling was a major problem until a couple years ago. I don’t think the windows situation is any better, and any high-powered windows device (like a gaming laptop) will have a pretty extreme cooling/fan setup. I’d love to see alternatives to the M1 which match the power efficiency and quietness, but I’m not sure they exist yet!
  - hackerfromthefu 5y ago
    My new laptop is practically silent with a hundred browser tabs open - Ryzen 5800u in yoga slim 7 carbon
- commoner 5y ago
  > I'm not sure if this is a consequence of Pop_OS (my current Framework-friendly distro), the Intel CPU, the heat management system, or some combination of those The 11th-generation Intel CPU is definitely the weakest link. The highest-end CPU available in the Framework Laptop (Intel Core i7-1185G7) scores 11009 on the PassMark CPU Mark benchmark.[1] The Apple M1 in the MacBook Air scores 15109,[2] while the highest-end current-generation Ryzen that is rated at 10-25W TDP (Ryzen 7 5800U) scores 19192.[3] The Apple (5 nm) and Ryzen (7 nm) chips also have lower power consumption and heat emissions because they are manufactured on newer processes than Intel (10 nm). If you want to express support for Ryzen CPUs in a Framework Laptop, there's a forum thread here: https://community.frame.work/t/amd-cpus-please/316 https://community.frame.work/t/amd-cpus-please/316 [1] https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-1185G7+%40+3.00GHz&id=3793 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-1185G... [2] https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Apple+M1+8+Core+3200+MHz&id=4104 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Apple+M1+8+Core+320... [3] https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+7+5800U&id=4102 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+7+5800U&i...
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ksec 5y ago
Credit where credit's due, Apple put in a lot of effort into their Speakers. All the R&D from AirPod, HomePod went into speakers on Macbook and iMac. I am not even aware of any other laptop / PC that has any decent built in speakers. Having said that they will need some time to test for their longevity. Apple has a history of blow out speakers within 3 years. Hopefully this is fixed with their newer design.
- solarkraft 5y ago
  I'm super impressed by my Macbook Pro's speakers. They're "did I accidentally connect to my external speakers or something?" good. Not perfect of course, but better than I imagined possible. So they're cool - but it's not like I couldn't go back to using my earphones more often.

by qudat 5y ago

I have a framework and love it. The major downside are the speakers. https://erock.io/2021/11/01/framework-vs-mbp.html https://erock.io/2021/11/01/framework-vs-mbp.html

wildrhythms 5y ago

I have a Framework laptop and a M1 Air. I didn't see this mentioned in your rundown, which was very nicely written and I agree with every point, but going from a fanless M1 Air to a laptop with a fan, that seems to constantly run much hotter despite doing a fraction of the tasks of my Air, is a real disappointment. I'm not sure if this is a consequence of Pop_OS (my current Framework-friendly distro), the Intel CPU, the heat management system, or some combination of those, but it's very noticeable and makes me realize how much more 'premium' (as you put it) the Macbook is. I'm typing this on my M1 Air driving a 4k display with no fan, and no heat.

noahtallen 5y ago
From my understanding and experience, that’s the M1 difference. Intel MacBooks, while also very premium, are known for their heat issues! Thermal throttling was a major problem until a couple years ago. I don’t think the windows situation is any better, and any high-powered windows device (like a gaming laptop) will have a pretty extreme cooling/fan setup. I’d love to see alternatives to the M1 which match the power efficiency and quietness, but I’m not sure they exist yet!
- hackerfromthefu 5y ago
  My new laptop is practically silent with a hundred browser tabs open - Ryzen 5800u in yoga slim 7 carbon
commoner 5y ago
> I'm not sure if this is a consequence of Pop_OS (my current Framework-friendly distro), the Intel CPU, the heat management system, or some combination of those The 11th-generation Intel CPU is definitely the weakest link. The highest-end CPU available in the Framework Laptop (Intel Core i7-1185G7) scores 11009 on the PassMark CPU Mark benchmark.[1] The Apple M1 in the MacBook Air scores 15109,[2] while the highest-end current-generation Ryzen that is rated at 10-25W TDP (Ryzen 7 5800U) scores 19192.[3] The Apple (5 nm) and Ryzen (7 nm) chips also have lower power consumption and heat emissions because they are manufactured on newer processes than Intel (10 nm). If you want to express support for Ryzen CPUs in a Framework Laptop, there's a forum thread here: https://community.frame.work/t/amd-cpus-please/316 https://community.frame.work/t/amd-cpus-please/316 [1] https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-1185G7+%40+3.00GHz&id=3793 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-1185G... [2] https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Apple+M1+8+Core+3200+MHz&id=4104 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Apple+M1+8+Core+320... [3] https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+7+5800U&id=4102 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+7+5800U&i...
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ksec 5y ago

Credit where credit's due, Apple put in a lot of effort into their Speakers. All the R&D from AirPod, HomePod went into speakers on Macbook and iMac. I am not even aware of any other laptop / PC that has any decent built in speakers. Having said that they will need some time to test for their longevity. Apple has a history of blow out speakers within 3 years. Hopefully this is fixed with their newer design.

solarkraft 5y ago
I'm super impressed by my Macbook Pro's speakers. They're "did I accidentally connect to my external speakers or something?" good. Not perfect of course, but better than I imagined possible. So they're cool - but it's not like I couldn't go back to using my earphones more often.