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it's not like Pfizer or Moderna vaccine are working any better, we are still under lockdown, even tho 80% of population is vaccinated

by usaphp 5y ago

NicoJuicy 5y ago
Yes it does. Just check excess deaths, that's what this article is about... They both already reduce severe illness. Additionally, it's not just about the efficiency of the vaccine. But the Russian vaccine is overpromised and underdelivered regarding to sales/deliveries to the countries that agreed to buy it. They are severely failing to deliver the 2nd dose as promised. Let's not go into detail about the corruption associated with it too... Plenty of resources to verify if you did a little bit of effort ;) https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/07/09/a-royal-mark-up-how-an-emirati-sheikh-resells-millions-of-russian-vaccines-to-the-developing-world-a74461 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/07/09/a-royal-mark-up-ho... https://carnegieendowment.org/2021/11/15/what-went-wrong-with-russia-s-sputnik-v-vaccine-rollout-pub-85783 https://carnegieendowment.org/2021/11/15/what-went-wrong-wit... https://apnews.com/article/world-news-mexico-russia-europe-coronavirus-vaccine-3f9b0455d1717c02e28fc710defee0ee https://apnews.com/article/world-news-mexico-russia-europe-c... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58003893.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58003893.amp https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/what-went-wrong-with-full-rollout-of-russia-sputnik-v-vaccine-in-india-4469018.html https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/what-went-wrong-with-f... https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/guatemala-asks-russia-return-money-over-failure-deliver-sputnik-covid-19-vaccine-2021-06-29/ https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/... https://amp.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/jul/22/argentina-sputnik-vaccine-russia-fails-to-deliver https://amp.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/jul/22/a... They didn't even do phase 3 trials and refuse to give sufficient information to the WHO. That's what you get for rushing things just to call dibs. What a mess.
- usaphp 5y ago
  Not sure where do you see that, looking at United States from the chart: - October 2020, +15% deviation from expected deaths - October 2021, +25% deviation from expected deaths
  - adventured 5y ago
    The US is under-vaccinated versus its affluent peers and is also just about the heavy weight champ of the world (ie loaded with comorbidities that amp up the Covid mortality rate, such as diabetes). What's confusing about it?
    - jjeaff 5y ago
      Ya, and it just so happens that there is a big overlap in obesity, low income, and those that won't get vaccinated. Which has created a double whammy when it comes to US deaths.
- tiahura 5y ago
  Vaccines made a negligible difference to the case fatality rate.
  - manuelabeledo 5y ago
    > Vaccines made a negligible difference to the case fatality rate. Source? Because everywhere I look, vaccines seem to reduce the risk of hospitalization and death.
baxtr 5y ago
Where are you located?
- genewitch 5y ago
  Off the cuff, The Netherlands is currently in lockdown, and I can't remember the other ones.
  - NicoJuicy 5y ago
    It's a partial lockdown in the Netherlands, mostly because countries/they were afraid if the infection rate of omicron. I suppose they will lift it soon now more studies are getting released about it's severity. A new variant doesn't mean that there's no danger because you are vaccinated. Studies need to happen for efficiency/severity. Edit for below ( can't reply, sorry): New cases != Severe cases
    - the-dude 5y ago
      Not mentioned : infections were at record highs just before this lockdown. With a vacrate of 80%+ ( ~ 83% couple of weeks ago ). > New cases != Severe cases ICU were nearing capacity, there was talk about black scenario's. If you can't reply, click the timestamp of the post
      - NicoJuicy 5y ago
        If I look at the Netherlands, the spike of deaths was on 9 December: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/netherlands/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/netherland... For me, that means it is mostly delta and not omicron. Considering the delay on hospitalisation/death and the appearance of omicron in Europe. Just like the UK, the Netherlands was indeed close to severe issues in healthcare. Ps. Hi from Belgium
        the-dude 5y ago
        > For me, that means it is mostly delta and not omicron. For sure it was not omicron. But that is not what this subthread is about. We had ~83% vacrate and record high infections. And health care nearing capacity. And OP was doubting the effeciacy of the vaccines. Maybe he is right. High vacrates don't seem to do much.
KoftaBob 5y ago
No state or city in the US has any "lockdowns" in effect. Unless you've been living in complete isolation off the grid and re-emerged today, your comment is a classic internet strawman.

it's not like Pfizer or Moderna vaccine are working any better, we are still under lockdown, even tho 80% of population is vaccinated

by usaphp 5y ago

it's not like Pfizer or Moderna vaccine are working any better, we are still under lockdown, even tho 80% of population is vaccinated

NicoJuicy 5y ago

Yes it does. Just check excess deaths, that's what this article is about... They both already reduce severe illness. Additionally, it's not just about the efficiency of the vaccine. But the Russian vaccine is overpromised and underdelivered regarding to sales/deliveries to the countries that agreed to buy it. They are severely failing to deliver the 2nd dose as promised. Let's not go into detail about the corruption associated with it too... Plenty of resources to verify if you did a little bit of effort ;) https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/07/09/a-royal-mark-up-how-an-emirati-sheikh-resells-millions-of-russian-vaccines-to-the-developing-world-a74461 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/07/09/a-royal-mark-up-ho... https://carnegieendowment.org/2021/11/15/what-went-wrong-with-russia-s-sputnik-v-vaccine-rollout-pub-85783 https://carnegieendowment.org/2021/11/15/what-went-wrong-wit... https://apnews.com/article/world-news-mexico-russia-europe-coronavirus-vaccine-3f9b0455d1717c02e28fc710defee0ee https://apnews.com/article/world-news-mexico-russia-europe-c... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58003893.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58003893.amp https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/what-went-wrong-with-full-rollout-of-russia-sputnik-v-vaccine-in-india-4469018.html https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/what-went-wrong-with-f... https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/guatemala-asks-russia-return-money-over-failure-deliver-sputnik-covid-19-vaccine-2021-06-29/ https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/... https://amp.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/jul/22/argentina-sputnik-vaccine-russia-fails-to-deliver https://amp.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/jul/22/a... They didn't even do phase 3 trials and refuse to give sufficient information to the WHO. That's what you get for rushing things just to call dibs. What a mess.

usaphp 5y ago
Not sure where do you see that, looking at United States from the chart: - October 2020, +15% deviation from expected deaths - October 2021, +25% deviation from expected deaths
- adventured 5y ago
  The US is under-vaccinated versus its affluent peers and is also just about the heavy weight champ of the world (ie loaded with comorbidities that amp up the Covid mortality rate, such as diabetes). What's confusing about it?
  - jjeaff 5y ago
    Ya, and it just so happens that there is a big overlap in obesity, low income, and those that won't get vaccinated. Which has created a double whammy when it comes to US deaths.
tiahura 5y ago
Vaccines made a negligible difference to the case fatality rate.
- manuelabeledo 5y ago
  > Vaccines made a negligible difference to the case fatality rate. Source? Because everywhere I look, vaccines seem to reduce the risk of hospitalization and death.

baxtr 5y ago

Where are you located?

genewitch 5y ago
Off the cuff, The Netherlands is currently in lockdown, and I can't remember the other ones.
- NicoJuicy 5y ago
  It's a partial lockdown in the Netherlands, mostly because countries/they were afraid if the infection rate of omicron. I suppose they will lift it soon now more studies are getting released about it's severity. A new variant doesn't mean that there's no danger because you are vaccinated. Studies need to happen for efficiency/severity. Edit for below ( can't reply, sorry): New cases != Severe cases
  - the-dude 5y ago
    Not mentioned : infections were at record highs just before this lockdown. With a vacrate of 80%+ ( ~ 83% couple of weeks ago ). > New cases != Severe cases ICU were nearing capacity, there was talk about black scenario's. If you can't reply, click the timestamp of the post
    - NicoJuicy 5y ago
      If I look at the Netherlands, the spike of deaths was on 9 December: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/netherlands/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/netherland... For me, that means it is mostly delta and not omicron. Considering the delay on hospitalisation/death and the appearance of omicron in Europe. Just like the UK, the Netherlands was indeed close to severe issues in healthcare. Ps. Hi from Belgium
      - the-dude 5y ago
        > For me, that means it is mostly delta and not omicron. For sure it was not omicron. But that is not what this subthread is about. We had ~83% vacrate and record high infections. And health care nearing capacity. And OP was doubting the effeciacy of the vaccines. Maybe he is right. High vacrates don't seem to do much.

KoftaBob 5y ago

No state or city in the US has any "lockdowns" in effect. Unless you've been living in complete isolation off the grid and re-emerged today, your comment is a classic internet strawman.