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> ultimately if it comes out of a screen you can always capture the output, no amount of DRM will ever prevent this I think that the end goal for the media com

> ultimately if it comes out of a screen you can always capture the output, no amount of DRM will ever prevent this I think that the end goal for the media companies is to add watermarking to all media and require watermark detection on all video-recording equipment, to include cameras. This would be terribly bad, but I think it is technically possible.

tux3 5y ago
A practical problem DRM will always have is that the full DRM chain that tries to include everything in the path down to the cables, that involves too many actors not to break. Keys will inevitably leak left and right, and you'll always be able to find some sort of cable and capture card setup that ignores DRM. About the watermark scheme, if it was standardized for inclusion in any video-recording equipment, then the standard would leak and people would learn how to neuter it. Or people would flash their camera's firmware to patch out the detection code. There's simply too many places where the scheme cannot be secure, by design. It's hard to stop finding weak points in the DRM scheme.
- rolph 5y ago
  once the bits are in your bus, you own them, as in physically have them, it becomes a matter of time and effort for you to access them in a humanly enjoyable manner. it is possible to re engineer digital electronics with a little ribbon cable, an exacto knife, and a fine soldering hand. the decrypted bitstream doesnt have to go to a display buffer it could go to memory instead. that is where i see DRM failing to stop 100% of the leak, and is powerless to do so, as long as people can still understand, and manipulate lowlevel hardware and firmware
  - fomine3 5y ago
    I can't wait to implement WideVine DRM chip on my brain
- nebula8804 5y ago
  signed video cameras are coming to counteract the incoming tidalwave of AI generated misinformation. The 2024 US election will have swaths of AI generated videos. It will be a mess and I will continue to be longing for the simple days. I.e. dumb cameras/dumb game consoles/dumb tvs/dumb appliances etc.
Scoundreller 5y ago
Sell them some easily defeatable “solution”. Use lots of buzz words. They’ll buy it! They’ve been buying dreams long enough, may as well be the one that sells it to them.

tux3 5y ago

A practical problem DRM will always have is that the full DRM chain that tries to include everything in the path down to the cables, that involves too many actors not to break. Keys will inevitably leak left and right, and you'll always be able to find some sort of cable and capture card setup that ignores DRM. About the watermark scheme, if it was standardized for inclusion in any video-recording equipment, then the standard would leak and people would learn how to neuter it. Or people would flash their camera's firmware to patch out the detection code. There's simply too many places where the scheme cannot be secure, by design. It's hard to stop finding weak points in the DRM scheme.

rolph 5y ago
once the bits are in your bus, you own them, as in physically have them, it becomes a matter of time and effort for you to access them in a humanly enjoyable manner. it is possible to re engineer digital electronics with a little ribbon cable, an exacto knife, and a fine soldering hand. the decrypted bitstream doesnt have to go to a display buffer it could go to memory instead. that is where i see DRM failing to stop 100% of the leak, and is powerless to do so, as long as people can still understand, and manipulate lowlevel hardware and firmware
- fomine3 5y ago
  I can't wait to implement WideVine DRM chip on my brain
nebula8804 5y ago
signed video cameras are coming to counteract the incoming tidalwave of AI generated misinformation. The 2024 US election will have swaths of AI generated videos. It will be a mess and I will continue to be longing for the simple days. I.e. dumb cameras/dumb game consoles/dumb tvs/dumb appliances etc.

Scoundreller 5y ago

Sell them some easily defeatable “solution”. Use lots of buzz words. They’ll buy it! They’ve been buying dreams long enough, may as well be the one that sells it to them.