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Why would the news say that app store is full of porn when you search it on Tumblr but not when you search it on Reddit? If they let at least one company do it

Why would the news say that app store is full of porn when you search it on Tumblr but not when you search it on Reddit? If they let at least one company do it it does seem kind of dumb.

1123581321 5y ago
I don't know about tumblr, but reddit doesn't allow nsfw subs out of the box on mobile, and for logged in users, you have to explicitly enable it. Obviously you can still find nsfw content on reddit that isn't labeled as such, so beyond that, it's probably up to the developer's soft skills. reddit probably has some people who are good at framing the app in communication with review, escalating review decisions, and communicating content policies in a way that makes them seem consistent and trustworthy. I don't know about tumblr, but unfortunately, I don't think many indie apps with user-generated content would have the bandwidth to develop the same relationship with app stores. So there is some de facto gatekeeping happening that benefits the largest and most well-spoken social networks.
- sieabahlpark 5y ago
- agsnu 5y ago
  Let's be honest, it likely has much less to do with developer soft skills and more to do with the value Apple perceives from the app being on their platform. The big fish will have more sway; it makes good business sense but it's anti-competitive.
  - 1123581321 5y ago
    I don't agree, but even if true, the developer can influence the perceived value of their smaller or newer application.
    - daoismyname 5y ago
      > the developer can influence the perceived value of their smaller or newer application by influence you mean "conform"?
      - 1123581321 5y ago
        No. This goes back to the original soft skills comment. Developers who can convince app review that they have a solid and trustworthy process, and more successfully escalate and have conversations about the review process, and frame their app differently to change the perspective of review, are able to get more interesting USG into their app (the opposite of conforming.) The problem, as I said earlier, is that indies have no chance of spending enough time developing their app and also having time to do this or of hiring someone to do this. This is where the gatekeeping comes from. I think it actually keeps them from launching and growing, not just publish with neutered content (what you call conforming.)
        agsnu 5y ago
        The escalation path mentioned in the original post ("developer support contact", I think more officially a Worldwide Developer Relations Partnership Manager) is invite-only.
- JimDabell 5y ago
  > I don't know about tumblr, but reddit doesn't allow nsfw subs out of the box on mobile, and for logged in users, you have to explicitly enable it. This is an Apple rule. From the App Store Review Guidelines: > If your app includes user-generated content from a web-based service, it may display incidental mature “NSFW” content, provided that the content is hidden by default and only displayed when the user turns it on via your website. — https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#user-generated-content https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#use...

Why would the news say that app store is full of porn when you search it on Tumblr but not when you search it on Reddit? If they let at least one company do it it does seem kind of dumb.

1123581321 5y ago

I don't know about tumblr, but reddit doesn't allow nsfw subs out of the box on mobile, and for logged in users, you have to explicitly enable it. Obviously you can still find nsfw content on reddit that isn't labeled as such, so beyond that, it's probably up to the developer's soft skills. reddit probably has some people who are good at framing the app in communication with review, escalating review decisions, and communicating content policies in a way that makes them seem consistent and trustworthy. I don't know about tumblr, but unfortunately, I don't think many indie apps with user-generated content would have the bandwidth to develop the same relationship with app stores. So there is some de facto gatekeeping happening that benefits the largest and most well-spoken social networks.

sieabahlpark 5y ago
agsnu 5y ago
Let's be honest, it likely has much less to do with developer soft skills and more to do with the value Apple perceives from the app being on their platform. The big fish will have more sway; it makes good business sense but it's anti-competitive.
- 1123581321 5y ago
  I don't agree, but even if true, the developer can influence the perceived value of their smaller or newer application.
  - daoismyname 5y ago
    > the developer can influence the perceived value of their smaller or newer application by influence you mean "conform"?
    - 1123581321 5y ago
      No. This goes back to the original soft skills comment. Developers who can convince app review that they have a solid and trustworthy process, and more successfully escalate and have conversations about the review process, and frame their app differently to change the perspective of review, are able to get more interesting USG into their app (the opposite of conforming.) The problem, as I said earlier, is that indies have no chance of spending enough time developing their app and also having time to do this or of hiring someone to do this. This is where the gatekeeping comes from. I think it actually keeps them from launching and growing, not just publish with neutered content (what you call conforming.)
      - agsnu 5y ago
        The escalation path mentioned in the original post ("developer support contact", I think more officially a Worldwide Developer Relations Partnership Manager) is invite-only.
JimDabell 5y ago
> I don't know about tumblr, but reddit doesn't allow nsfw subs out of the box on mobile, and for logged in users, you have to explicitly enable it. This is an Apple rule. From the App Store Review Guidelines: > If your app includes user-generated content from a web-based service, it may display incidental mature “NSFW” content, provided that the content is hidden by default and only displayed when the user turns it on via your website. — https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#user-generated-content https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#use...