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Poor people are used to being victims so it's hard to trust other people. When you look at it deeper, if these are poor minorities in a white mans world, no ma

• duxup 5y ago
  > When the social workers are driving in BMW's and talking to you like you're retarded... Man what social workers get BMWs?
  • anamax 5y ago
    There are "tourists," well-off people who "slum" as social workers or on projects. Managers can also do well. And then there are the fraudsters.
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  • nopenopenopeno 5y ago
    As it happens, My neighbor in my apartment building is literally a social worker who drives a BMW.
    • bigmattystyles 5y ago
      I mean, it could be a 2006 318i with 200k+ miles. BMW means nothing.
      • hackcasual 5y ago
        Or they could have generational wealth. This whole thing reminds me of the ugliness that was the anti-welfare propaganda of the 70's
        • BitAstronaut 5y ago
          It could also be that they prioritize their car and have a budget adjusted for it.
          • tudorw 5y ago
            the only Lambo owner I ever met had saved since he was 14 and had nothing else but his car...
            • dijit 5y ago
              Jesus christ, even a 16yo Lambo is $100,000 (which is an unthinkable amount of money for a British person on average salary). For context my mums 2 bed house in Coventry was not much more than that, and she's still paying off that mortgage.
              • tudorw 5y ago
                I guess a decade of sofa surfing would just about cover that!
        • anovikov 5y ago
          What's wrong about it? I can only praise a person who has generational wealth and doesn't need to work, yet chose the socially beneficial occupation of a social worker (which is neither well-paid nor, let's be honest, well-respected, but necessary job), to do their part?
          • sh4un 5y ago
            It's all trust. This is what makes this hard, and you can see here no one has experience in this field so everyone has a dumb ass comment. A lot of people regardless of status will still try to have pride. I used to help homeless people and they would often have a lot of trust issues and often prefer to be homeless rather than help. While a social worker may dress up and drive a nice car because they have money, the poor people they are helping don't have trust in them for many reasons. One is that they have nothing, and then they see someone that wants to help and that person is getting richer while they are getting poorer. Same reason people get miffed at donating to the United way only to find out the CEO was making something like 750k a year and asking me to donate 10% of my pay automatically deducted to them. Lol
  • duud 5y ago
    Australians https://au.indeed.com/career/social-worker/salaries https://au.indeed.com/career/social-worker/salaries
  • dragonwriter 5y ago
    > Man what social workers get BMWs? well, BMWs tend to last a while and very old ones are often affordable but reasonably functional used cars, so probably quite a few. If you mean new BMWs, then ones that are wealthy from some other source and doing social work for self-fulfillment.
• ralusek 5y ago
  > these are poor minorities in a white mans world If we're in the reality of accepting that culture, patterns of behavior, and what thoughts are inculcated in people actually impact the outcomes they'll net in life, then I hope we can start legitimately talking about the harm that comes from attitudes like the one you've laid out. The idea that, say, a black person need not even try, because they'll just be attempting in vain in what is ultimately a white man's world...it's horseshit, and it does far more harm than good. The reality is that almost every elite institution is geared for precisely the opposite of what you're describing. For better or for worse, being a black person applying to college or a job at Google will actually be advantaged on the basis of their race. And if we acknowledge that the first step towards seeing a black person in poverty becoming a black software engineer is knowing that this is even an option for them, and that they have more than a realistic chance of achieving that goal, then maybe we'd be more cautious with the sort of oppression rhetoric we deploy.
  • xwolfi 5y ago
    Yeah it's very americano centric. In China where I emigrated, white people arent poorer than their yellow counterparts in average because immigration is done differently (no slavery, no low income, leave if you cant make it etc). The problem is more complex than color, it's just the immigration origin of the population that drive the current state. A better sentence maybe would be "to be a descendant of slaves in a world of descendants of masters", and even then would probably be unfair to people who actually wanted to end slavery and are now guilty of succeeding.
    • AussieWog93 5y ago
      >In China where I emigrated, white people arent poorer than their yellow counterparts in average because immigration is done differently (no slavery, no low income, leave if you cant make it etc). Not saying you're wrong about white people, but I've heard some very different stories about Filipino/Indonesian maids in HK, as well as Black and Domestic Migrant labourers holding a rural hukou on the Mainland.
• wiseowise 5y ago
• inglor_cz 5y ago
  As usual in the American racial discourse, this argument entirely ignores the huge gaping hole in its side that is the Asian community. Casual racism against Asians is pretty strong, not just in the US, in Europe, too. (My own country has a significant Vietnamese community and casual racism against them was absolutely shocking in the 1990s. It has since become less pronounced, but is still there.) And yet they thrive in your so-called "white mans world" and within two generations, sometimes only one generation, after arriving from formerly colonized and impoverished countries, they become MPs, ministers, professors and investors.
  • refurb 5y ago
    Indeed. And these are communities that were banned from immigrating at one point, put in camps and their assets stolen during WW2. Clearly poverty and even oppression doesn’t explain a groups eventual standing.
  • wobblybubble 5y ago
    It isn’t surprising that groups like descendants of chattel slavery who have had the same legal rights as white people for about half a century are systematically worse off than groups like middle class immigrants from East Asia.
    • inglor_cz 5y ago
      "middle class immigrants from East Asia" That is just a small part of the entire picture. Plenty of Asians arrived as low wage manual workers or refugees (boat people) from then-strongly underdeveloped countries. Sometimes as orphans or incomplete families with all male relatives killed. Or you can look at Jewish people, terrorized, oppressed and killed by their neighbours for centuries. Expressions like "pogrom" and "ghetto" come from a long, bloody history of violent antisemitism.
      • dustintrex 5y ago
        There are clear differences between these groups that reflect their circumstances though. Indian Americans tend to be well educated offspring of the Indian elite, and they're also the richest Asian-American subgroup. Hmong, Laotians and Vietnamese mostly descend from penniless refugees, and surprise surprise, they're at the bottom of the income table. Working your way from nothing to owning a nail salon or a donut shop is an achievement, but in financial terms it pales compared to the income of the IIT grad Brahmin who did their master's at Stanford and went on to work at Microsoft.