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I thought vaccinated or unvaccinated you can still infect others? Mainly it’s vaccinating yourself to have a less severe outcome if you do become infected is wh

by vondur 5y ago

I thought vaccinated or unvaccinated you can still infect others? Mainly it’s vaccinating yourself to have a less severe outcome if you do become infected is what I’ve been seeing be told.

adventured 5y ago
That's correct, you can infect other people if you're vaccinated, and you can still get infected even if you're triple vaccinated. Break-through cases are very common, as witnessed in highly vaccinated nations that are still struggling with huge outbreaks. Your conclusion is essentially the right one, the leading vaccines (particularly the mRNA vaccines) can dramatically lower the risk of a bad outcome if you catch SARS2. They do not stop the spead of the virus and do not ensure you won't catch it.
- jjeaff 5y ago
  Why does everyone seem so obstinately binary on this topic? They slow the spread. They make you less likely to get infected and to spread it. Few things in medicine are 100%. This is nothing new. And even a small reduction in the ability of a vaccinated person to spread the virus makes a huge difference. In fact, it could likely make enough difference to bring the R0 of COVID below R1.
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simonh 5y ago
The vaccines don’t stop you getting it, but: 1. They reduce the chances you will get it because they increase the chances your system will fight it off before it gets established. 2. They reduce the time during which you are infectious, and the amount of the virus in your system that you output during that time. As a result they decreases the chances of you infecting others. The reduction for the original variants was very significant. Vaccinated people were very unlikely to infect anyone else prior to Delta. With Delta the benefits were significantly reduced. With Omicron the benefits in infectiousness are again much reduced. So for most of the last year the vaccines were a vital tool in reducing the spread of the virus as well as protecting the vaccinated. Now Omicron is so infectious the effect is much lower. Of course the vaccines do still seem to be real life savers against Omicron, and avoiding getting sick yourself still protects others by reducing the load on the health care system.
- miles 5y ago
  > They reduce the time during which you are infectious, and the amount of the virus in your system that you output during that time. Transmission potential of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant in a federal prison, July—August 2021 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.12.21265796v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.12.21265796v... > A total of 978 specimens were provided by 95 participants, of whom 78 (82%) were fully vaccinated and 17 (18%) were not fully vaccinated. No significant differences were detected in duration of RT-PCR positivity among fully vaccinated participants (median: 13 days) versus those not fully vaccinated (median: 13 days; p=0.50), or in duration of culture positivity (medians: 5 days and 5 days; p=0.29).
  - simonh 5y ago
    I did say the benefits from vaccination in infectiousness with Delta is much reduced. They do seem to still reduce the time during which you are infectious though. https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/231557/covid-vaccines-effective-household-transmission-delta/ https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/231557/covid-vaccines-effect... I’m not entirely surprised there are studies with small numbers of participants in which it doesn’t show up.

by vondur 5y ago

I thought vaccinated or unvaccinated you can still infect others? Mainly it’s vaccinating yourself to have a less severe outcome if you do become infected is what I’ve been seeing be told.

adventured 5y ago

That's correct, you can infect other people if you're vaccinated, and you can still get infected even if you're triple vaccinated. Break-through cases are very common, as witnessed in highly vaccinated nations that are still struggling with huge outbreaks. Your conclusion is essentially the right one, the leading vaccines (particularly the mRNA vaccines) can dramatically lower the risk of a bad outcome if you catch SARS2. They do not stop the spead of the virus and do not ensure you won't catch it.

jjeaff 5y ago
Why does everyone seem so obstinately binary on this topic? They slow the spread. They make you less likely to get infected and to spread it. Few things in medicine are 100%. This is nothing new. And even a small reduction in the ability of a vaccinated person to spread the virus makes a huge difference. In fact, it could likely make enough difference to bring the R0 of COVID below R1.
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simonh 5y ago

The vaccines don’t stop you getting it, but: 1. They reduce the chances you will get it because they increase the chances your system will fight it off before it gets established. 2. They reduce the time during which you are infectious, and the amount of the virus in your system that you output during that time. As a result they decreases the chances of you infecting others. The reduction for the original variants was very significant. Vaccinated people were very unlikely to infect anyone else prior to Delta. With Delta the benefits were significantly reduced. With Omicron the benefits in infectiousness are again much reduced. So for most of the last year the vaccines were a vital tool in reducing the spread of the virus as well as protecting the vaccinated. Now Omicron is so infectious the effect is much lower. Of course the vaccines do still seem to be real life savers against Omicron, and avoiding getting sick yourself still protects others by reducing the load on the health care system.

miles 5y ago
> They reduce the time during which you are infectious, and the amount of the virus in your system that you output during that time. Transmission potential of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant in a federal prison, July—August 2021 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.12.21265796v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.12.21265796v... > A total of 978 specimens were provided by 95 participants, of whom 78 (82%) were fully vaccinated and 17 (18%) were not fully vaccinated. No significant differences were detected in duration of RT-PCR positivity among fully vaccinated participants (median: 13 days) versus those not fully vaccinated (median: 13 days; p=0.50), or in duration of culture positivity (medians: 5 days and 5 days; p=0.29).
- simonh 5y ago
  I did say the benefits from vaccination in infectiousness with Delta is much reduced. They do seem to still reduce the time during which you are infectious though. https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/231557/covid-vaccines-effective-household-transmission-delta/ https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/231557/covid-vaccines-effect... I’m not entirely surprised there are studies with small numbers of participants in which it doesn’t show up.