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Simple solution: if you refuse vaccination for a non-medical reason and require treatment for COVID, you pay out of pocket. No insurance, no medicare, no medica

by api 5y ago

Simple solution: if you refuse vaccination for a non-medical reason and require treatment for COVID, you pay out of pocket. No insurance, no medicare, no medicaid. Best of all isn't personal responsibility a classical conservative thing? Don't want to do something simple and free to keep yourself out of the hospital? Fine, but you get to pay for it. Of course they will just go bankrupt and we'll end up paying for it anyway, but at least it will send a message. Could be extended to other forms of adherence to flagrant health quackery. I have zero sympathy for this insanity anymore. If you get your health information from YouTube you are an idiot.

sokoloff 5y ago
Where does that line end? Smoking-related diseases? Obesity related presentations? Extreme sports injuries? Drunk driving crashes? Drug overdoses? Unwanted pregnancies? There’s a whole lot of reasons people end up in the hospital, plenty of which someone will conclude “well, that was more stupid than I’m comfortable paying for”, and having to do a full circumstances checkup to figure out which price and to whom to charge seems…problematic.
- klyrs 5y ago
  Fun fact, there are insurance exemptions and penalties for at least a few of the things you've listed. Your jurisdiction & policy may vary, but where I live, smoking can increase your insurance rates and make you ineligible for things like kidney transplants; injuries sustained while intoxicated are considered at-fault and aren't insured. I think that includes overdoses. People who engage in extreme sports are encouraged to get specific life insurance because most policies don't cover wanton recklessness. Unwanted pregnancy? Not where I live, but anti-abortion laws are coming fast and furious across the US, and yes, children are extremely expensive and entirely your responsibility. The unresearched whataboutisms in this thread are truly something else.
- vaxxz 5y ago
  > Where does that line end? Smoking-related diseases? Obesity related presentations? Extreme sports injuries? Drunk driving crashes? Drug overdoses? Unwanted pregnancies? With the exception of drunk driving, the others do not directly pose an immediate risk to others.
  - Dma54rhs 5y ago
    But they all do take hospital beds with their stupidity so to speak just like anti vaxxers. Especially the late phenomena of fat positivity needs more criticism, statistics show the pandemic is largely pandemic of anti vaxxers and obese - that's the reality.
- mcguire 5y ago
  Didn’t realize unwanted pregnancies were overwhelming the hospital system.

by api 5y ago

sokoloff 5y ago

Where does that line end? Smoking-related diseases? Obesity related presentations? Extreme sports injuries? Drunk driving crashes? Drug overdoses? Unwanted pregnancies? There’s a whole lot of reasons people end up in the hospital, plenty of which someone will conclude “well, that was more stupid than I’m comfortable paying for”, and having to do a full circumstances checkup to figure out which price and to whom to charge seems…problematic.

klyrs 5y ago
Fun fact, there are insurance exemptions and penalties for at least a few of the things you've listed. Your jurisdiction & policy may vary, but where I live, smoking can increase your insurance rates and make you ineligible for things like kidney transplants; injuries sustained while intoxicated are considered at-fault and aren't insured. I think that includes overdoses. People who engage in extreme sports are encouraged to get specific life insurance because most policies don't cover wanton recklessness. Unwanted pregnancy? Not where I live, but anti-abortion laws are coming fast and furious across the US, and yes, children are extremely expensive and entirely your responsibility. The unresearched whataboutisms in this thread are truly something else.
vaxxz 5y ago
> Where does that line end? Smoking-related diseases? Obesity related presentations? Extreme sports injuries? Drunk driving crashes? Drug overdoses? Unwanted pregnancies? With the exception of drunk driving, the others do not directly pose an immediate risk to others.
- Dma54rhs 5y ago
  But they all do take hospital beds with their stupidity so to speak just like anti vaxxers. Especially the late phenomena of fat positivity needs more criticism, statistics show the pandemic is largely pandemic of anti vaxxers and obese - that's the reality.
mcguire 5y ago
Didn’t realize unwanted pregnancies were overwhelming the hospital system.