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As mentioned last week here in a previous “run your own email” story, your setup can also get rejected for not sending enough email, meaning your volume can’t e
by agrippanux 5y ago
As mentioned last week here in a previous “run your own email” story, your setup can also get rejected for not sending enough email, meaning your volume can’t establish good reputation.
- berkes 5y ago...or for choosing the wrong VPS provider. Op talks about Digital Ocean. But, just like Linode or EC2, their IP blocks are inevitably on some undisclosed blocklist that livemail, yahoo, gmail randomly use.
- mattl 5y agoDigital Ocean sends so much bad traffic in the form of bots trying to run cars numbers we’ve had their entire AS blocked for several years.
- InvaderFizz 5y ago> bots trying to run cars numbers I'm having trouble parsing this. Are you talking about VINs?
- tylersmith 5y agoMy best guess is it was a typo for (credit/debit) card numbers.
- mattl 5y agoYep sorry. Autocorrect.
- filmgirlcw 5y agoI was going to say, IP blocks for DO make it one of the last places I would use for serving mail I actually wanted to be deliverable.
- jlkuester7 5y agoYeah, my solution for low-volume self-hosted email is to relay my outgoing SMTP traffic through Amazon SES. I get good delivery to all the big players, bit still control all the parts of the email stack that I care about. (Plus at low volume, SES is basically free...)
- speedgoose 5y agoYour solution makes a lot of sense if sending emails through AWS is acceptable, but I'm not sure we can say it's self-hosted.
- xanaxagoras 5y agoWhen you send an e-mail, as soon as it leaves your mail server it's out of your control and you have no say in where it goes before it ends up at the recipient. There's no such thing as self hosted sent e-mail.
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- speedgoose 5y agoSending an email through AWS has strong implications regarding privacy though.
- BusyLurker3K 5y agoThe odds of the emails going through AWS, GCE, or Azure infrastructure in one form or another is probably pretty damn high even if you host your own SMTP service.
- speedgoose 5y agoYes but that's the recipient choice. I'm not responsible if they use American cloud providers for their emails, but I am for the ones I send.
- anandsuresh 5y agoThis is a bandaid that avoids solving the harder problem of trust/spam. It is such design patterns that make a fundamentally open/federated protocol more centralized, exacerbating the problem. Personally, I think the use of proof-of-work like methods can mitigate the problem by a large extent, making it computationally expensive to spam users. This was one of the original goals of what has now become the "blockchain" revolution. Is anyone aware of any projects that are still implementing similar (open) systems?
- jlkuester7 5y agoI am happy to be proven wrong here (not an expert) but IMHO there is not much hope or solving the open decentralised communication problem with email at all. It seems that something like Matrix.org presents much more promise in this area. I also host my own Matrix server, but sadly not everyone I need to communicate with uses Matrix....