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As someone from a country still in the EU the Brexit outcome makes me uncomfortable. It is clear now that the EU is a set of golden handcuffs for those on the i

by Joeri 5y ago

As someone from a country still in the EU the Brexit outcome makes me uncomfortable. It is clear now that the EU is a set of golden handcuffs for those on the inside. As the EU grows in power it dictates more and more rules. I’ve heard numbers as high as 80% of national legislation being determined by EU directives. Mostly I think the EU directives turn out better than the national legislation would have (we would never get such strong privacy rights for example), but this might not always be the case. When those golden handcuffs start to chafe, what is a member country to do? The EU has a real challenge ahead in leaving a place for regional and national self-determination, and ironically an EU constitution might be the best path to limiting its power, just like the US constitution somewhat acts to protect the states from the federal government.

isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y ago
Have you verified that 80% claim?
throwaway6734 5y ago
>The EU has a real challenge ahead in leaving a place for regional and national self-determination, and ironically an EU constitution might be the best path to limiting its power, just like the US constitution somewhat acts to protect the states from the federal government. This would be really neat to see. As an American I very much want a strong EU to act as a check on the US and help push back against China's influence. A fractured europe will not be able to withstand the pull between the US and China
- timellis-smith 5y ago
  It will be really interesting to see how the EU battle with Poland plays out: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/brussels-launches-legal-action-over-polish-rulings-against-eu-law https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/... Can the EU override the constitution of a country?
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    That's not at stake here. What is at stake is whether a country can join the EU and the later change in such a way that it is no longer compatible with the basic criteria for joining in the first place. This includes adherence to democratic principles, a free press and so on, and by dropping these the country is essentially de-ratifying their original accession.
Daishiman 5y ago
You have literally no evidence for that number and you used it to convince yourself of you what you already believed.

by Joeri 5y ago

isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y ago

Have you verified that 80% claim?

throwaway6734 5y ago

>The EU has a real challenge ahead in leaving a place for regional and national self-determination, and ironically an EU constitution might be the best path to limiting its power, just like the US constitution somewhat acts to protect the states from the federal government. This would be really neat to see. As an American I very much want a strong EU to act as a check on the US and help push back against China's influence. A fractured europe will not be able to withstand the pull between the US and China

timellis-smith 5y ago
It will be really interesting to see how the EU battle with Poland plays out: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/brussels-launches-legal-action-over-polish-rulings-against-eu-law https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/... Can the EU override the constitution of a country?
- jacquesm 5y ago
  That's not at stake here. What is at stake is whether a country can join the EU and the later change in such a way that it is no longer compatible with the basic criteria for joining in the first place. This includes adherence to democratic principles, a free press and so on, and by dropping these the country is essentially de-ratifying their original accession.

Daishiman 5y ago

You have literally no evidence for that number and you used it to convince yourself of you what you already believed.