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Recently I have been getting a lot more annoyed about China. Sure they can ban things, it's their right. But I just don't understand why we are not doing the sa

Recently I have been getting a lot more annoyed about China. Sure they can ban things, it's their right. But I just don't understand why we are not doing the same.

darthrupert 5y ago
To put it bluntly: Because we're better than them.
- Abroszka 5y ago
  Yet we are allowing human right abuses? I think we only care about money, that's why we allow this to happen. Just look at Intel right now, apologizing for not using slave labour...
  - _vr9d 5y ago
    Im out of the loop about this. What are you talking about?
  - samus 5y ago
    IMHO Intel was just dumb for annoncing to blanket ban anything from Xinjiang. They can still audit their suppliers and discontinue collaboration with those that look suspicions.
- OtomotO 5y ago
  Not by a large margin, but yes, yes you are, to some extent still. I just wished you and Europe where as good as your PR, I really and genuinely do
  - Ostrogodsky 5y ago
    Impossible. You are thinking about it as an exercise in rationality and morals. This is a fight of chimp tribes, all the bla bla about human rights,justice, liberty is a very thin coat about the hate for the other band of apes. We are talking about 7 million years of evolution in action.
- lnxg33k1 5y ago
  Does it make it better to make our workers compete with people without rights, healthcare, holidays, sustainable pay? I don't have any problem with China they can ban what they want, I would just desire that this open borders crap would require import only from countries where workers have a compatible standard of living of importing countries
  - trasz 5y ago
    >Does it make it better to make our workers compete with people without rights, healthcare, holidays, sustainable pay? Why are you dragging USA into this again?
    - lnxg33k1 5y ago
      Lol alright.. well played
  - darthrupert 5y ago
    I probably should have added the implied "in this particular way at least". Also, the problems you describe don't affect all of the western world. And I would like to add, based on talking to a few chinese friends, those things are a problem in China as well. Competition in particular is quite brutal from kindergarten onwards there.
- jollybean 5y ago
  No, that's not it at all. Trade is a serious issue, it has consequences. If China banned most US companies, the US would have to ban most Chinese companies.
izacus 5y ago
You don't understand why your own nation isn't following the tantrums of a totalitarian regime? That would make your own nation into China, why the heck would you want that?!
- Abroszka 5y ago
  Because it's an unfair competition.
  - izacus 5y ago
    This isn't a competition that can be fair or we (western world) need to win.
- legofr 5y ago
  We wouldn't be turning into China if we only banned Chinese companies, if we only blacklisted/punished western companies that spread CCP propaganda (nine-dash line, calling Taiwan a province of China, etc). To quote HN user stale2002: Tit for tat reciprocity is the basis of most modern trade relations.
  - jshmrsn 5y ago
    Banning Chinese companies is actually a ban on Americans using Chinese companies. As tempting as it is to retaliate or perhaps extract national economic gain, It must be done sparingly, if at all, as it as a reductions in freedom for American citizens.
  - izacus 5y ago
    > To quote HN user stale2002: Tit for tat reciprocity is the basis of most modern trade relations. It is also a basis of the most bloody and destructive wars in the world. Are you hoping that this time US wins again?
- jollybean 5y ago
  Because trade only really works if there's balance and bilateral rules. Opening your nation to trade, while the other does not, and does things like subsidize their companies to put yours out of business, is not good. The US should probably play tit-for-tat and ban an arbitrary Chinese company for every US company banned by China. That way, China understands at least the repressions. Of course, that policy might not work, as it would just spiral up into a big 'ban fest', but you get the idea. Banning games is a funny thing, people like games. People are going to be upset. When people are playing games, they are not agitating. When people are bored, they think about things like politics.
forgotmyoldname 5y ago
If other countries start banning everything, isn’t that just as bad as what China is doing here?
siva7 5y ago
Because we are not them? There must be a fine distinction which results in freedom of speech
speedgoose 5y ago
Cough Huawei Cough.
_tik_ 5y ago
US already banned and blacklisted numbers of chinese companies
stjohnswarts 5y ago
I mean you should take yourself and your valuable talents to China and live your best life under the CCP paradise.

Recently I have been getting a lot more annoyed about China. Sure they can ban things, it's their right. But I just don't understand why we are not doing the same.

darthrupert 5y ago

To put it bluntly: Because we're better than them.

Abroszka 5y ago
Yet we are allowing human right abuses? I think we only care about money, that's why we allow this to happen. Just look at Intel right now, apologizing for not using slave labour...
- _vr9d 5y ago
  Im out of the loop about this. What are you talking about?
- samus 5y ago
  IMHO Intel was just dumb for annoncing to blanket ban anything from Xinjiang. They can still audit their suppliers and discontinue collaboration with those that look suspicions.
OtomotO 5y ago
Not by a large margin, but yes, yes you are, to some extent still. I just wished you and Europe where as good as your PR, I really and genuinely do
- Ostrogodsky 5y ago
  Impossible. You are thinking about it as an exercise in rationality and morals. This is a fight of chimp tribes, all the bla bla about human rights,justice, liberty is a very thin coat about the hate for the other band of apes. We are talking about 7 million years of evolution in action.
lnxg33k1 5y ago
Does it make it better to make our workers compete with people without rights, healthcare, holidays, sustainable pay? I don't have any problem with China they can ban what they want, I would just desire that this open borders crap would require import only from countries where workers have a compatible standard of living of importing countries
- trasz 5y ago
  >Does it make it better to make our workers compete with people without rights, healthcare, holidays, sustainable pay? Why are you dragging USA into this again?
  - lnxg33k1 5y ago
    Lol alright.. well played
- darthrupert 5y ago
  I probably should have added the implied "in this particular way at least". Also, the problems you describe don't affect all of the western world. And I would like to add, based on talking to a few chinese friends, those things are a problem in China as well. Competition in particular is quite brutal from kindergarten onwards there.
jollybean 5y ago
No, that's not it at all. Trade is a serious issue, it has consequences. If China banned most US companies, the US would have to ban most Chinese companies.

izacus 5y ago

You don't understand why your own nation isn't following the tantrums of a totalitarian regime? That would make your own nation into China, why the heck would you want that?!

Abroszka 5y ago
Because it's an unfair competition.
- izacus 5y ago
  This isn't a competition that can be fair or we (western world) need to win.
legofr 5y ago
We wouldn't be turning into China if we only banned Chinese companies, if we only blacklisted/punished western companies that spread CCP propaganda (nine-dash line, calling Taiwan a province of China, etc). To quote HN user stale2002: Tit for tat reciprocity is the basis of most modern trade relations.
- jshmrsn 5y ago
  Banning Chinese companies is actually a ban on Americans using Chinese companies. As tempting as it is to retaliate or perhaps extract national economic gain, It must be done sparingly, if at all, as it as a reductions in freedom for American citizens.
- izacus 5y ago
  > To quote HN user stale2002: Tit for tat reciprocity is the basis of most modern trade relations. It is also a basis of the most bloody and destructive wars in the world. Are you hoping that this time US wins again?
jollybean 5y ago
Because trade only really works if there's balance and bilateral rules. Opening your nation to trade, while the other does not, and does things like subsidize their companies to put yours out of business, is not good. The US should probably play tit-for-tat and ban an arbitrary Chinese company for every US company banned by China. That way, China understands at least the repressions. Of course, that policy might not work, as it would just spiral up into a big 'ban fest', but you get the idea. Banning games is a funny thing, people like games. People are going to be upset. When people are playing games, they are not agitating. When people are bored, they think about things like politics.

forgotmyoldname 5y ago

If other countries start banning everything, isn’t that just as bad as what China is doing here?

siva7 5y ago

Because we are not them? There must be a fine distinction which results in freedom of speech

speedgoose 5y ago

Cough Huawei Cough.

_tik_ 5y ago

US already banned and blacklisted numbers of chinese companies

stjohnswarts 5y ago

I mean you should take yourself and your valuable talents to China and live your best life under the CCP paradise.