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The constant onslaught of US "news" drumming up war on China and Russia is very scary. The production value of this site and the detail of its design are a prob
by mrobot 5y ago
The constant onslaught of US "news" drumming up war on China and Russia is very scary. The production value of this site and the detail of its design are a problem. Reuters is a problem. This is indeed war propaganda. I do think the United States is on the offensive in this "cold war", and they they want it to be hot. United States foreign policy has historically been, let's say, less than helpful. I really do not believe China is a threat to the world.
What exactly is there to stand up to? Why not cooperate with China for mutual good? I believe Chinese leadership when they say all they want is a more multilateral world. US simply can't stop being world hegemon. Looking at the way people post both on this site and on Reddit about China, it's all same old Yellow Peril racism if you ask me. Really getting sick and tired of everyone just uncritically taking in US war propaganda and jumping on the war wagon.
- yumraj 5y ago> I really do not believe China is a threat to the world. Tibetans, Uighars, HKers and citizens of almost all the countries that share a land or sea border with China will disagree with you. And so will all the countries, such as Lithuania, and private companies who have been forced to toe CCP line. I can keep going on…
- zepto 5y agoThe build up of troops on the border of Ukraine, and the Chinese military incursions into Taiwan’s airspace have not been drummed up by the US news.
- juanani 5y ago
- justicezyx 5y agoSo first, Taiwan is not sovereign nation. Under international law, Taiwan and mainland is one nation. So there is no such concept of Taiwan airspace per international law. And, the so-called incursion is to Taiwan's air defence identification zone. That zone covers majority of Fujian province. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Identification_Zone_(East_China_Sea) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Identification_Z... Literally, mainlanders are intrusion Taiwan adiz constantly. That's how ridiculous the western media repotting has been nowadays. They'll refuse to even acknowledge an obviously physically impossible situation, and blame on China...
- zepto 5y ago> So first, Taiwan is not sovereign nation. Under international law, Taiwan and mainland is one nation. This is the CCP position, yes. https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=justicezyx https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=justicezyx
- newbear1 5y agoThat's just what reconfigured by international laws. CCP of course will proclaim rulings that are favorable to China.
- zepto 5y agoNot so: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29677497 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29677497 Also, I see your account was created 3 years ago, but only became active in the last hour to post defenses of the CCP and China. https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=newbear1 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=newbear1
- newbear1 5y ago
- zepto 5y ago> So I think it's useful to hide my identity and make throw away account to just reflect a point. You made the throwaway account 3 years ago, and only started to use it two hours ago. > Otherwise, people would start associate my comments to certain ideology allegence. I think the converse is true. If your account had a history of points of view on different topics people would be far less likely to see it as being driven by ideological allegiance. > I am just come to provide CCP's view on hot issues. Thank you for being clear about what you are doing here. That is much appreciated.
- newbear1 5y ago
- devy 5y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4
- zepto 5y agoCan you summarize that?
- systemvoltage 5y agoTaiwanese Foreign Minister's interview is terrifying, the sheer horror on his face: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3D0_Bhzbyo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3D0_Bhzbyo It's also fair to push back on war hungry narratives, it is equally as important to understand all scenarios. Nobody puts this better than Gen. Mark Milley: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSBN5xBC1L4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSBN5xBC1L4
- rectang 5y ago> Reuters is a problem. Any independent news organization is a problem for the CCP.
- justicezyx 5y agoWell, as a matter of fact, any independent news organization is a problem for any modern government. CCP and US establishment are equally fearful of independent news organization. For example, Assange and wikileak.
- mcswell 5y agoI guess you mean that President Trump closed down CNN because it said so much against him, just like President Biden has closed down Fox News. What? They didn't?
- akimball 5y agoThe existence of differences does not moot the similarities
- mcswell 5y agoI guess you mean that President Trump closed down CNN because it said so much against him, just like President Biden has closed down Fox News. What? They didn't?
- morpheos137 5y agoRussophobia is omnipresent in the Western press too. It is simply another form of racism.
- coeneedell 5y agoI don't think it's racist to be worried about a nuclear power colonizing its neighbors.
- natded 5y agoSuperpower logic is far too cold for terms like colonizing. There is very little focus on such ideological by-products of power when the General Staff makes its considerations and recommendations for the security of the state. If you think in terms like these, from some liberal shitlib university, against military superpowers who can guarantee MAD with nuclear weapons you are not going to make heads or tails any of it. It is best to purify your mind and just read Thomas Schelling.
- diego_moita 5y agoSpeaking as a Latin American, Russia is just another banana republic with 100 million people and nukes. > simply another form of racism. That's just plain stupid. I fear their authoritarian and murder leader, I don't fear their people.
- throwway1234 5y agoI‘m a Russian language learner for many years. When you listen to Putin what he tells his Babushkas, you now you cannot trust him one word. BTW, I recommend to listen to him as a learner: He speaks slowly, very articulate with clear pronunciation, so he can tell Babushkas that foreign power are threatening Russia.
- natded 5y agoUS isn't technically drumming up war on China and Russia; they are promoting war to the last Ukrainian against Russia, and probably the last Taiwanese against China. A difference, but probably enough to help US hitch a long as superpower couple of decades if either of these events take place. Direct confrontation between Russia, China vs. US is not even in the question. US couldn't defeat couple of goat herders and they're going to level up to S-tier opponents? I wouldn't even bet on US against Venezuela or Iran at this point.
- systemvoltage 5y ago> US couldn't defeat couple of goat herders and they're going to level up to S-tier opponents? I wouldn't even bet on US against Venezuela or Iran at this point. Operation Desert Storm was a success and completely overwhelming. The amount of power projected was incalculable. Here is an extremely detailed account of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxRgfBXn6Mg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxRgfBXn6Mg
- natded 5y agoOTOH, US did just this year lose its longest war and it was against Afghanistan. I rely on this closer event. Granted, admitting the loss there was the first step in road to recovery.
- systemvoltage 5y agoIt wasn't a conventional war. I don't think there is any defense to the massive fuck up in the Afghanistan exit strategy though. But, to say that US military is incapable of doing anything is a pretty lousy argument.
- sudosysgen 5y agoWhat is conventional war? Do you think that the Chinese or Russians will play nice and play war ship for ship, plane for plane and tank for tank against the US like the Iraqis did at the beginning? The US military generally has a very "meh" track record.
- philsnow 5y ago> Why not cooperate with China for mutual good? This works until it doesn't. "American exceptionalism" is not unique to Americans.
- diego_moita 5y ago> I believe Chinese leadership when they say all they want is a more multilateral world. They say but don't do it. China's behaviour towards Canada, Lithuania and most of Eastern Asia is anything but multilateral. It is plain and simple imperialism.
- analyst74 5y agoI'm not old enough to read mainstream news during the 80s, but learnt that there was a period of anti-Japanese fear mongering due to Japan's rising economy. It caused riots, burning of japanese products, and street violence to people who looked like Japanese. I'm not too worried about war between nuclear powers, but I do fear for Chinese and Chinese-looking people living in the west.
- monkeycantype 5y agoWe should all worry about the kind of people who would harass Chinese looking people in the west, but as someone in Australia, I’d like to assure you that while it is definitely very hard to move to a new country, a new language a new culture, and there are racists everywhere who tend to be loud and impulsive and hurtful, people here are deeply proud that this is a place where people from around the world have been able to come to make a life and contribute their culture. With each wave of immigration there has been initial wariness and eventual embrace. If you ever get the chance to come to Melbourne, ask people about the post war Vietnamese migration, if you read the media from the time you’d think there was hostility towards Vietnamese, what you’ll actually encounter is pride that Vietnamese are here and a real love for the Vietnamese people. Read about the visas given to Chinese students after Tiananmen, and the pride people have in the hybrid Indigenous/European/Asian culture of Broome which was exempt from the White Australia Policy, and you’ll see the world people want is a very different place to the fearful place our national leaders are dreaming for us
- monkeycantype 5y agoBy all means down vote, but please take the time to say why
- rkk3 5y agoYep just another piece of the Manufacturing Consent apparatus, this one seems more of just a puff piece though.
- jonnybgood 5y ago> Why not cooperate with China for mutual good? I believe Chinese leadership when they say all they want is a more multilateral world. China is attacking Lithuania economically for opening a Taiwanese Representative Office. China is not cooperating for mutual good.
- CountSessine 5y ago“Peace for our time”, right?
- monkeycantype 5y agoI would love to be able to work with the people of China and Russia as you’re suggesting, I think the great mass of people in all these countries would, but you’re blurring the populations of the countries and the strategic plotting of the national leaders. I wonder if you might be making the terrible mistake that almost all of us seem to make, of seeing your country from the intimate perspective of family, friends and ordinary people living their lives, and others through the words and actions of national politicians. I think the leaders of all of these countries are threats to the world, and not because they necessarily have plans of expanding their empire across the globe, but because their primary goal is to hold power in their own country which requires theatre to the populace and flows of wealth to their core supporters. China doesn’t need to retake Taiwan, there are already Chinese people there doing just fine, Russia doesn’t need to threaten Ukraine, US doesn’t need its military practically everywhere, but the leaders in each of those countries can’t back down on any of those things or their person hold on power is over
- chii 5y agoThe leader exists because the (majority of) people implicitly allow it. The calculus of whether to resist and /or topple the leader is whether the individual is worse off without doing so. In China, most people are better off with the current leadership (than the previous), and the economic prospects is at least looking good for them. They wouldn't want to rock the boat obviously. So despite the fact that the people of china is peaceful and willing to cooperate unlike the CCP's external stance, they do hold responsibility for the actions of their leaders. I take the same stance with the USA's actions under trump - this is in no way targeted at any particular country.
- monkeycantype 5y agoI suppose I agree with you. But we’re all at fault here. We’re born into a world with existing power structures that know how to defend themselves, that know the amount of carrot and stick that will this dismal compromise together. There’s no obvious way to change them, and by the time you’re big enough to try anything you have people you love, and a sense of what you risk. In the west we have nice memories of peaceful marches changing things. Even people who won’t discuss Tiananmen, know about the cultural revolution, about the millions that died in the civil war, and no illusions as to the danger of trying to change China
- mcswell 5y agoRepeat after me, Mr Robot: Premier Xi looks like Winnie the Pooh. What? I can't hear you!